Pretty common turn spot that I hate

[Wynton]

Bryce,

I'm confused when you say they are separate events.

Are you really saying that the same player who will check behind with a pair, is also likely to raise the river with the same holding? If he's the type to raise the river with his pair when we bet, can't we also count on him betting the river with his pair when we check?

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Bryce,

I'm confused when you say they are separate events.

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The reasons we call or fold if we get raised on the river are completely unrelated to the reasons why we bet (how often we're raised by a better hand is a consideration, but betting is still easily the best play here).

As for the other part, the short answer is: "yes". Remember that betting is for value in relation to how often he will call us with a worse hand and calling a bet is concerned with how often we have a better hand in relation to the size of the pot. If I expected him to check behind with a pair often and raise as bluff only sometimes it is still possible for both the bet and the call to be correct (101 stuff, I know, but hopefully that'll give you an idea of what I mean by "independent").

[ArturiusX]

How do we play this if we don't have the fd?

[baronzeus]

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How do we play this if we don't have the fd?

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Bet/fold, if you calls my bet, I c/f river.