What do you do with double paired broadways?

[djr]

but isn't that simulation assuming you take it to the river? If you hit a flop that's like Q94 rainbow you're going to like it and continue on, as will several of the back door lows. But if you miss the flop you get to dump right away. Simulations are a good place to start, but unless they take into account reasonable postflop play you have to take the numbers with a grain of salt.

[Yads]

True, but simulations also are a good indicator of how our hand measures up pre flop and if our edge is extremely small even against random hands then wouldn't that indicate that raising is a bad play? Unless your goal is to mix it up and show some of the better players at the table that your raise doesn't necessarily mean good 2 way hand.

That's an interesting point raised about the deck being rich in mid to broadway cards when there are a lot of limpers. I'll have to try that simulation when I get home.

[BradleyT]

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1) there are 5+ of limpers, I’m in LP, its double suited;
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This situation is still a mistake, do a simulation of QQJJds vs 5 random hands, the edge your hand has is marginal at best.

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How does the sim pan out if we put 3-4 aces, and the majority of 2s and 3s into those 5 hands and leave a couple of random cards in each?

The reasoning often given in Omaha/8 litterature for raising in this position is that the horde of limpers is going to have gobbled up low cards and especially aces, thus severely reducing the chances of there even being a low hand possible on the final board.

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They've gobbled up high and low cards leaving middle cards to show on the board.