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07-01-2005, 11:15 PM
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99 BB after an all-in from button
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) converter
MP1 (t33125) MP2 (t33379) MP3 (t52952) CO (t31583) Button (t20590) SB (t30348) Hero (t34040) UTG (t29678) UTG+1 (t53798) Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t20590</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>. Final Pot: t20990 A little history, I doubled through the villian a few hands earlier where I got all-in preflop with AA vs his KK. I didn't see him making any outragous all-in's before he moved on the button. Anyone call here? 
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#2
07-01-2005, 11:24 PM
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Re: 99 BB after an all-in from button
I fold it. The blinds are small to the stack sizes, and you've been able to get all the money in against this opp in better spots already. I think the pusher will be going broke soon, and I really want to be in on it, but you can't force it. If he is making a move, he'll make this play a few more times, and you can pick him off with a better hand. If it turns out he's only doing this with a real hand, you'll be happy you avoided it.
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#3
07-01-2005, 11:38 PM
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Re: 99 BB after an all-in from button
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I fold it. you've been able to get all the money in against this opp in better spots already. [/ QUOTE ] Completely irrelevant, AA vs, KK is a wonderfully lucky situation, hardly a knock on the villan. [ QUOTE ] I think the pusher will be going broke soon, and I really want to be in on it, but you can't force it. [/ QUOTE ] Why do you think Villan is a donk? Other than this overbet we have no reason to think this. [ QUOTE ] If he is making a move, he'll make this play a few more times, and you can pick him off with a better hand. [/ QUOTE ] Honestly, the odds are very very very slim, we will get a hand better than 99 if villan pushed 100% of the time that it was folded to him on the button. That being said, I am not sure this is a call. I think this is a play made by a frustrated player with a good (not great hand). Id say range is 77+ AT+, KQ. So you are a slight favorite. To me the deciding factor would be the image of Hero and SB. If either have made questionable calls to large all-in bets before, I will fold (more likely he is trapping). If we are both tight, I think I call.
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#4
07-01-2005, 11:43 PM
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Re: 99 BB after an all-in from button
He did it again, sb pushed, I folded. Villian had AQ, SB had AT. Villian doubled up. My thinking at the time was I doubt he does this with an underpair, more likely two overcards, like AK. I folded, too big a price to be wrong.
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#5
07-02-2005, 11:20 PM
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Re: 99 BB after an all-in from button
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[ QUOTE ] I fold it. you've been able to get all the money in against this opp in better spots already. [/ QUOTE ] Completely irrelevant, AA vs, KK is a wonderfully lucky situation, hardly a knock on the villan. [/ QUOTE ] True, If it was flipped around I couldn't fault anyone for getting all the money in pre-folp w/ KK. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think the pusher will be going broke soon, and I really want to be in on it, but you can't force it. [/ QUOTE ] Why do you think Villan is a donk? Other than this overbet we have no reason to think this. [/ QUOTE ] Perhaps my understanding of overbetting the pot is limited. But isn't it a bad play to bet 27000 to win 1200? Would you get called by worse hands? Couldn't you steal the blinds w/ a smaller bet? It seems like your risking too much to gain too little. [ QUOTE ] If he is making a move, he'll make this play a few more times, and you can pick him off with a better hand. [/ QUOTE ] Honestly, the odds are very very very slim, we will get a hand better than 99 if villan pushed 100% of the time that it was folded to him on the button. [/ QUOTE ] My thinking is that he's betting 23 to win 1. So he has to do this successsfully 23 times for it to be profitable, less if you factor in a suck-out. If we call w/ our top 5% of hands we should be in good shape. I guess 99 is probaly about there. Maybe it can be a call, but I think the odds are your way behind or slightly ahead. [ QUOTE ] That being said, I am not sure this is a call. I think this is a play made by a frustrated player with a good (not great hand). Id say range is 77+ AT+, KQ. So you are a slight favorite. To me the deciding factor would be the image of Hero and SB. If either have made questionable calls to large all-in bets before, I will fold (more likely he is trapping). If we are both tight, I think I call. [/ QUOTE ] I like this advice, better than anything I came up with.
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