critique the newbie.

js13_tps · #1 08-14-2004, 11:05 PM

My 3rd tourney online. 3rd money game, if you call $1 money, lol. Still not getting much for cards, I tried to keep notes and i played less than 10% of the total hands and closer to 5% of hands i wasn't in the blinds on. Thoughts on what few plays I made? I finished 40th of 405.

Lame hand, I wasn't going to get to involved other then the blind i posted.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t1015)
UTG+2 (t2770)
MP1 (t2350)
MP2 (t685)
MP3 (t1230)
CO (t530)
Button (t1435)
SB (t1125)
Hero (t825)
UTG (t3250)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls t30, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t30, MP3 calls t30, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t180) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks.

Turn: (t180) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB folds, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 folds.

River: (t180) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: t180

Results in white below: 
Hero shows 3c 5s (two pair, threes and twos).
UTG shows Jd Kd (one pair, twos).
UTG+2 shows 6c 8c (one pair, twos).
MP2 shows Qc Js (one pair, twos).
Outcome: Hero wins t180. 

I folded to what looked like a flush/straight flush draw, lots of wierd hands were being played.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

Hero (t960)
UTG+1 (t745)
UTG+2 (t1990)
MP1 (t840)
MP2 (t1710)
MP3 (t845)
CO (t925)
Button (t895)
SB (t3495)
BB (t1040)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of t50. UTG+1 posts a blind of t100.
Hero (poster) calls t30, UTG+1 (poster) folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t30, MP3 folds, CO calls t30, Button folds, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: (t285) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t30, MP2 calls t30, CO calls t30, BB calls t30.

Turn: (t405) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets t75, CO raises to t150, BB calls t150, Hero folds, MP2 calls t75.

River: (t855) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, CO bets t715 (All-In), BB folds, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: t1570

Results in white below: 
CO doesn't show.
Outcome: CO wins t1570. 

Best starting hand of the night.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (10 handed) converter

Hero (t600)
BB (t1720)
UTG (t2390)
UTG+1 (t690)
UTG+2 (t1200)
MP1 (t420)
MP2 (t1595)
MP3 (t670)
CO (t2950)
Button (t1210)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, Hero raises to t200, BB calls t100.

Flop: (t400) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t400 (All-In), BB folds.
njwsc checks, jbb268 checks.

Final Pot: t800

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Hero wins t800. 

Pretty much no choice here.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (10 handed) converter

CO (t5354)
Button (t5799)
SB (t3485)
BB (t3600)
UTG (t2363)
UTG+1 (t1491)
Hero (t350)
MP1 (t3975)
MP2 (t5068)
MP3 (t12302)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of t300.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero (poster) raises to t550 (All-In), MP1 calls t350, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls t150.

Flop: (t1600) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, MP1 checks.

Turn: (t1600) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, MP1 checks.

River: (t1600) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, MP1 checks.

Final Pot: t1600

Results in white below: 
BB shows Jd 7s (high card, ace).
Hero shows Jh Ac (one pair, aces).
MP1 shows 7h 7d (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins t1300. MP1 wins t300. 

I was sweating this one.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (10 handed) converter

MP1 (t5154)
MP2 (t7093)
MP3 (t5974)
CO (t2400)
Button (t4713)
SB (t3982)
Hero (t850)
UTG (t2625)
UTG+1 (t4868)
UTG+2 (t12102)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t300, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t900) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t550 (All-In), UTG+1 calls t550, SB folds.

Turn: (t2000) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2000) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2000

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Js Ac (two pair, aces and jacks).
UTG+1 shows 9d Qd (two pair, queens and sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins t2000. 

I don't think i had any doubts about pushing this one.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (10 handed) converter

MP2 (t4754)
MP3 (t4493)
CO (t5824)
Button (t4100)
SB (t2717)
BB (t11545)
Hero (t1550)
UTG+1 (t3275)
UTG+2 (t4468)
MP1 (t11052)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of t800.
Hero (poster) calls t400, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to t800, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls t400, Hero raises to t1600, MP1 calls t400, BB calls t400.

Flop: (t4600) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t350 (All-In), MP1 calls t350, BB folds.

Turn: (t5300) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t5300) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t5300

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Qs Qd (three of a kind, queens).
MP1 shows Kh Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins t5300. 

Bust out hand. After posing the BB and seeing 1 over card vs 4 to a flush I made the decision to just go for it. If I have been reading/learning anything on here I had 15 outs, with 2 cards to come, straight, flush and straight flush possibilites, so thats 54% to make or 2-1 dog. Although all i was thinking right off was 9 outs, 3-1 dog. And about 4-1 plus on pot/implied odds, since anyone with a K would surely call. Good bad or no real choices? I would have probably had to go all in from SB on the next hand anyway to keep playing?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (10 handed) converter

Button (t20196)
SB (t18491)
Hero (t2600)
UTG (t9733)
UTG+1 (t7532)
UTG+2 (t4671)
MP1 (t5550)
MP2 (t13374)
MP3 (t7286)
CO (t31052)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls t800, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls t800, Button calls t800, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t4000) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, CO bets t800, Button calls t800, SB calls t800, Hero calls t800, UTG+2 folds.

Turn: (t7200) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets t1800, Button calls t1800, SB folds, Hero calls t1000 (All-In).

River: (t11800) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
CO checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: t11800

Results in white below: 
Hero shows 6d 8d (high card, king).
CO shows 6s Kc (one pair, kings).
Button shows Jc Kh (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Button wins t11800.

uuDevil · #2 08-15-2004, 01:34 PM

js13_tps,

I'm not much of a tourney player so I won't comment on your play. However, I suggest posting hands in the Multi-table-Tournaments forum. There are some cool people there who can help you out.

AncientPC · #3 08-15-2004, 03:34 PM

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My 3rd tourney online. 3rd money game, if you call $1 money, lol. Still not getting much for cards, I tried to keep notes and i played less than 10% of the total hands and closer to 5% of hands i wasn't in the blinds on. Thoughts on what few plays I made? I finished 40th of 405.

Lame hand, I wasn't going to get to involved other then the blind i posted.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t1015)
UTG+2 (t2770)
MP1 (t2350)
MP2 (t685)
MP3 (t1230)
CO (t530)
Button (t1435)
SB (t1125)
Hero (t825)
UTG (t3250)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls t30, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t30, MP3 calls t30, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t180) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks.

Turn: (t180) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB folds, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 folds.

River: (t180) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: t180

Results in white below: 
Hero shows 3c 5s (two pair, threes and twos).
UTG shows Jd Kd (one pair, twos).
UTG+2 shows 6c 8c (one pair, twos).
MP2 shows Qc Js (one pair, twos).
Outcome: Hero wins t180. 

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Seeing as this was checked all the way to the river I would've made a small bet. You may end up stealing the pot or a few with K high thinking that you didn't have anything at all.

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I folded to what looked like a flush/straight flush draw, lots of wierd hands were being played.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

Hero (t960)
UTG+1 (t745)
UTG+2 (t1990)
MP1 (t840)
MP2 (t1710)
MP3 (t845)
CO (t925)
Button (t895)
SB (t3495)
BB (t1040)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of t50. UTG+1 posts a blind of t100.
Hero (poster) calls t30, UTG+1 (poster) folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t30, MP3 folds, CO calls t30, Button folds, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: (t285) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t30, MP2 calls t30, CO calls t30, BB calls t30.

Turn: (t405) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets t75, CO raises to t150, BB calls t150, Hero folds, MP2 calls t75.

River: (t855) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, CO bets t715 (All-In), BB folds, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: t1570

Results in white below: 
CO doesn't show.
Outcome: CO wins t1570. 

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I would raise pre-flop and bet on flop to chase out the people with flush / gutshot straight draws. If you were reraised big on flop I'd fold because the flop's too dangerous. Good fold on turn.

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Best starting hand of the night.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (10 handed) converter

Hero (t600)
BB (t1720)
UTG (t2390)
UTG+1 (t690)
UTG+2 (t1200)
MP1 (t420)
MP2 (t1595)
MP3 (t670)
CO (t2950)
Button (t1210)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, Hero raises to t200, BB calls t100.

Flop: (t400) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t400 (All-In), BB folds.
njwsc checks, jbb268 checks.

Final Pot: t800

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Hero wins t800. 

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Good PFR. Seeing as the flop was bad and BB had big stack, I wouldn't have gone in but instead maybe made 100 chip bets to (hopefully) suck out more money. You'll never get callers when going all-in unless you're with at a loose table.

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Pretty much no choice here.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (10 handed) converter

CO (t5354)
Button (t5799)
SB (t3485)
BB (t3600)
UTG (t2363)
UTG+1 (t1491)
Hero (t350)
MP1 (t3975)
MP2 (t5068)
MP3 (t12302)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of t300.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero (poster) raises to t550 (All-In), MP1 calls t350, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls t150.

Flop: (t1600) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, MP1 checks.

Turn: (t1600) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, MP1 checks.

River: (t1600) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, MP1 checks.

Final Pot: t1600

Results in white below: 
BB shows Jd 7s (high card, ace).
Hero shows Jh Ac (one pair, aces).
MP1 shows 7h 7d (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins t1300. MP1 wins t300. 

I was sweating this one.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (10 handed) converter

MP1 (t5154)
MP2 (t7093)
MP3 (t5974)
CO (t2400)
Button (t4713)
SB (t3982)
Hero (t850)
UTG (t2625)
UTG+1 (t4868)
UTG+2 (t12102)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t300, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t900) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t550 (All-In), UTG+1 calls t550, SB folds.

Turn: (t2000) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2000) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2000

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Js Ac (two pair, aces and jacks).
UTG+1 shows 9d Qd (two pair, queens and sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins t2000. 

I don't think i had any doubts about pushing this one.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (10 handed) converter

MP2 (t4754)
MP3 (t4493)
CO (t5824)
Button (t4100)
SB (t2717)
BB (t11545)
Hero (t1550)
UTG+1 (t3275)
UTG+2 (t4468)
MP1 (t11052)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of t800.
Hero (poster) calls t400, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to t800, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls t400, Hero raises to t1600, MP1 calls t400, BB calls t400.

Flop: (t4600) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t350 (All-In), MP1 calls t350, BB folds.

Turn: (t5300) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t5300) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t5300

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Qs Qd (three of a kind, queens).
MP1 shows Kh Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins t5300. 

Bust out hand. After posing the BB and seeing 1 over card vs 4 to a flush I made the decision to just go for it. If I have been reading/learning anything on here I had 15 outs, with 2 cards to come, straight, flush and straight flush possibilites, so thats 54% to make or 2-1 dog. Although all i was thinking right off was 9 outs, 3-1 dog. And about 4-1 plus on pot/implied odds, since anyone with a K would surely call. Good bad or no real choices? I would have probably had to go all in from SB on the next hand anyway to keep playing?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (10 handed) converter

Button (t20196)
SB (t18491)
Hero (t2600)
UTG (t9733)
UTG+1 (t7532)
UTG+2 (t4671)
MP1 (t5550)
MP2 (t13374)
MP3 (t7286)
CO (t31052)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls t800, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls t800, Button calls t800, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t4000) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, CO bets t800, Button calls t800, SB calls t800, Hero calls t800, UTG+2 folds.

Turn: (t7200) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets t1800, Button calls t1800, SB folds, Hero calls t1000 (All-In).

River: (t11800) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
CO checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: t11800

Results in white below: 
Hero shows 6d 8d (high card, king).
CO shows 6s Kc (one pair, kings).
Button shows Jc Kh (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Button wins t11800. 

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The rest of your hands were played fine, but I don't like how you played the last one. Granted you were big blind, but chasing flush draws in tournaments (and NL) games can get pretty expensive, as you're 2:5 odds at getting it by the river, but only 1:5 to get it on the turn. So unless you're pretty much ok with going all-in to see the flop all the way to the river, calling a decent sized bet to see the turn isn't worth it in my opinion.