2/4 KQs top pair+flush draw

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2/4 PP
Raising villain is 35/19 (with 1k+)
Calling villain is 65/38 (with 600)

Hero is button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (with 366)

Preflop
Raising villain opens utg for 18 (this is a little large), folded to hero, who calls, SB calls, calling villain calls in the BB

Flop (72)
K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
check, check, UTG bets 45, hero calls, SB folds, BB calls

Turn (207)
Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
check, villain checks, hero bets 120, BB calls, villain makes it 550 to go, hero calls 185 more, BB folds.

Comments?

Combo hands in raised pots are interesting I think. OOP I want to get to 3-bet all-in on the flop so I like leading. In position I'm still tempted to put in a pot-committing raise / push on the flop. You have less than 100BB and the pot is already $120. That said, your hand doesn't mind multi-way action so calling can work out well too. As played I like your half-pot on the turn & obviously you have to call the re-raise.

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The worst hand u can expect to see is JT....with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] being the worst as it cuts down your flush outs....Wouldn't be suprised if u are up against AK or 99 here......I call in a heartbeat I think although something tells me you are up against KK.....

[jkkkk]

Standard, though I hope your pushing that turn if someone bets.

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Standard, though I hope your pushing that turn if someone bets.

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I'm torn between calling the active villain again, and pushing. I dont mind the other guy staying in. And there arent *too* many cards that I dont like to see (a J or a T spring to mind, and maybe an A, but only non-diamond versions).

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Standard, though I hope your pushing that turn if someone bets.

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I'm torn between calling the active villain again, and pushing. I dont mind the other guy staying in. And there arent *too* many cards that I dont like to see (a J or a T spring to mind, and maybe an A, but only non-diamond versions).

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I think push is superior because

1. Calling villain could be on the bigger flush draw.

2. Raising villain could have AK

It is a horrible way to play a set unless he knows you are going to bet a draw on the turn, but oh well, next hand.

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Standard, though I hope your pushing that turn if someone bets.

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I'm torn between calling the active villain again, and pushing. I dont mind the other guy staying in. And there arent *too* many cards that I dont like to see (a J or a T spring to mind, and maybe an A, but only non-diamond versions).

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I think push is superior because

1. Calling villain could be on the bigger flush draw.

2. Raising villain could have AK

It is a horrible way to play a set unless he knows you are going to bet a draw on the turn, but oh well, next hand.

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Im going broke on a diamond, so if he does have A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]X[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] then c'est la vie. But if he has a draw, then I dont mind him staying in the pot, because most of the time he is drawing stone dead.

If Raising villain has AK, then I dont want to raise and push him off it. What if the river bricks ... and he checks ... and I get to represent a missed flush who is now bluff-pushing?

Im not sure I like raising, if I will lose AK and a lower [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] draw, then is it not a bad play to raise?

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Standard, though I hope your pushing that turn if someone bets.

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I'm torn between calling the active villain again, and pushing. I dont mind the other guy staying in. And there arent *too* many cards that I dont like to see (a J or a T spring to mind, and maybe an A, but only non-diamond versions).

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I think push is superior because

1. Calling villain could be on the bigger flush draw.

2. Raising villain could have AK

It is a horrible way to play a set unless he knows you are going to bet a draw on the turn, but oh well, next hand.

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Im going broke on a diamond, so if he does have A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]X[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] then c'est la vie. But if he has a draw, then I dont mind him staying in the pot, because most of the time he is drawing stone dead.

If Raising villain has AK, then I dont want to raise and push him off it. What if the river bricks ... and he checks ... and I get to represent a missed flush who is now bluff-pushing?

Im not sure I like raising, if I will lose AK and a lower [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] draw, then is it not a bad play to raise?

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Well, I think that is indeed a big if, maybe you do lose them, maybe you don't. Maybe you see the bigger flush draw more times than you see a smaller one, your certainly not getting any more money from a draw on the river though.

Also pushing gets all of raising villains $ in (if he calls) but if you call and the river is a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] then you lose a lot of value to AK.

I guess arguments can be made for both cases, but I simply like pushing because there are a lot of river cards that make both villains fold + they can outdraw you.

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Villain had 99 and I didnt hit the river.

I think this is a truly horrible way to play 99 flopped set. I think I have one of the only hands that can call him when he check-raises.

Anybody agree? Why check-raise the set here, I think its yucky. If I have something like A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] then I would check behind and get a free shot to flush-up. Only I hit such a big hand did I get involved.

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Whats your play when he pushes a non-diamond A, J, or T river..

What are villains likely to do on a diamond river when you bet?

Raising villain folds, calling villain calls with worse pushes with more unless you push.

lets assume the calling villains flush range is neutral EV on the river. your not getting any $ with a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] river, you are perhaps getting the rest of raising villains $ on a blank river, ok.

This question all comes down to what % of the time they call on the turn when you push, a 65/38 must be calling off his stack a good amount and the 35/19 depends on how sneaky he thinks your being, hows your image?

The river blanks more times than a non [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A,J or T fall and we can't even be 100% sure how bad these cards are for you, I'm not even going to try and guess what % of the time you have to be called on the turn by weaker hands to make the push a superior play.

Its a hard question to answer, very situation dependent, we want them to make a mistake and defend our hand, whether the best way is re-evaluating on a river, I'm not sure..

Interesting hand.