I can't stand conversations that involve politics

[tylerdurden]

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The problem that I find with most political conversations is that they don't even attempt to get to what politics as we know them are trying to do: improve the lot of people's lives.

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I'm not sure what "politics" are *trying* to do, but I'm pretty sure that what they actually do is *worsen* people's lives on the whole (obviously, *some* people's lives are improved).

[diebitter]

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It is okay for us man, there is not a lot of problems that absolutely need to be changed in the West, for some people 'disgusting acts of violence' are the only shot they have.

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Is there a point here? - and I mean specifically about my statement on the disconnection I feel with moden politics and how much better you can spend your thinking time, not about the world and its problems in general, so don't babble on if there isn't one, okay?

[whiskeytown]

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Girls are not gonna hook up with a guy b/c of his political beliefs or how pretentious he is; in fact, most won't even talk to a guy like that. So, wtf? Thoughts on this?


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Um....well - maybe not if you're a Republican who wants to see them regulated to 2nd class status and take away their right to choice - LOL.

As for me, the last couple I dated would have been very upset had they felt I was a Republican (one joked "Get Out of My House" before I informed her I had switched sides a few years ago) - and part of that whole "first 20 minutes" that are sort of feeling out when two people first meet definately centered a bit on politics.

(you know the questions...fav movie, what do you wanna do someday, fav songs...hobbies - if you could go anywhere free, where would it be) - somehow religion and politics usually come up and while it may not be a selling point, per se, it can sure as hell be a black mark.

The discussion of Politics is multipurpose - first off, the smart people will get smarter as they sharpen their reasons and lines of attack. You may find someone who you can't refute and change your mind. I did so on the death penalty. Situation get bad enough, I'll probably be able to justify Aritic drilling - just not right now.

Only stupid people fix to slogans and party lines. The smart ones examine the new situations as they come up instead of relying on catch phrases and realize that in some cases, they may be disagreeing with their political party.

That's why I'm here so much - I love debate - sometimes I may change my stance on things, and sometimes I won't - I think when the whole Terri Schavio thing started I used to be "keep em alive forever" - but after evaluating how I would want to be treated in that spot, I did a fast 180. No way I'd want to live like that myself and it's wrong to ask others to if they expressed wishes not to.

RB

[lehighguy]

Why talk about anything. I couldn't convince my end-game WoW itemization is imbalanced, but I enjoyed the conversation. I enjoy political discourse, so I do it.

[mackthefork]

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It is okay for us man, there is not a lot of problems that absolutely need to be changed in the West, for some people 'disgusting acts of violence' are the only shot they have.

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Is there a point here? - and I mean specifically about my statement on the disconnection I feel with moden politics and how much better you can spend your thinking time, not about the world and its problems in general, so don't babble on if there isn't one, okay?

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More that a lot of people feel the same as you do, because generally speaking life is pretty much okay here. Other people elsewhere in the world can't ignore the problems they have, and violent revolution is the only realistic option for them. It's easy for us to ignore other peoples problems, but if we contribute towards those problems they can easily become our own.

I think OOT is making you take things too personally, okay?

Have a good one.

Mack

[diebitter]

Fair point. Let's go bowling sometime. You can pay. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[mackthefork]

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Fair point. Let's go bowling sometime. You can pay. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Amen.

Regards Mack

[Go_Blue88]

First, ya, I've met some girls that are similar to the ones you describe. But I found their "like oh my god, you're political beliefs like totally suck" (clearly all girls talk like that...) to be a huge turn-off.

Second, ya, I enjoy debating, as you put it. However, these types of enjoyable debates rarely occur in a party atmosphere--people always try to use "sophisticated" words, and rarely give the "opposition" any respect (I may be biased here since I despise condescending and pretentious people and seemingly there's a correlation with these two virtues and political conversations).

Anyways, my point wasn't really that people should never have these discussions, it's just the actual way they present themselves that irritates me (and their motives for having the conversation).

[DVaut1]

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However, these types of enjoyable debates rarely occur in a party atmosphere

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Do you kids party on the Diag these days? Do the frat boys talk politics at PiKE? Or are there some serious political debates going on at Skeepers and Charley's I don't know about? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

When I was there, I thought U of M was strangely apolitical sometimes - not that you'd rationally expect kids to be talking politics while doing keg stands, though.

Wherever you go, <font color="blue"> Go Blue. </font>

[Go_Blue88]

hahaha well, the frat guys use lots of cheesy sh.it like explaining how amazing the catcher in the rye and the great gatsby is written (although to be honest, i'm just basing this off of a specific frat guy i know).

when i go to charley's i go with my buddies, and we don't talk politics. i like it a lot there; great food, pretty good music, fun atmosphere.

however, at a house party i had, and a few i've been to lately, there's been these shmucks debating about really dumb political stuff--ie- not even interesting issues. more like, "you like bush dude! what is wrong with you! he's destroying our country!"

i'm not sure what skeepers is, should i check it out? i like going to the brown jug, as well.

edit--i've only been to pike once, and they had a real cool ratio going. good times...