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#1
08-01-2005, 03:11 AM
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Muck it, or %@^$ it?
My bustout hand from tonight's 11r. Schaefer and I weren't sure about it, so hopefully someone more intelligent can make sense of the situation. 40ish left. Opponent has been playing fairly solid. Obviously a sorry attempt at a stop n go, but meh, might as well try.
PokerStars Game #2236323452: Tournament #10400834, Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (10000/20000) - 2005/08/01 - 02:58:47 (ET) Table '10400834 61' Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: grrouchie (136384 in chips) Seat 2: cowboy1 (51084 in chips) Seat 3: The Force 11 (291388 in chips) Seat 4: colson10 (86648 in chips) Seat 5: samand (189839 in chips) Seat 6: LegendKillah (443096 in chips) Seat 7: TheFutureJTT (215444 in chips) Seat 8: AMB_ (311055 in chips) Seat 9: johnnyrose (144836 in chips) grrouchie: posts the ante 1000 cowboy1: posts the ante 1000 The Force 11: posts the ante 1000 colson10: posts the ante 1000 samand: posts the ante 1000 LegendKillah: posts the ante 1000 TheFutureJTT: posts the ante 1000 AMB_: posts the ante 1000 johnnyrose: posts the ante 1000 The Force 11: posts small blind 10000 colson10: posts big blind 20000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to colson10 [Ah 5s] samand: folds LegendKillah: folds TheFutureJTT: folds AMB_: raises 40000 to 60000 johnnyrose: folds grrouchie: folds cowboy1: folds The Force 11: folds colson10: calls 40000 *** FLOP *** [8d 2h 4h] colson10: bets 25648 and is all-in colson10 
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#2
08-01-2005, 03:14 AM
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Re: Muck it, or %@^$ it?
On the flop, you have to push, but I think it's a fold pre-flop. If he's solid, he's most certainly got you dominated, and I'm not sure what he can fold on the flop getting such great odds for a call.
RakeWarrior
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#4
08-01-2005, 03:20 AM
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Re: Muck it, or %@^$ it?
Ya, i was watching at this point.
I think there is a couple things to note. #1 u have 20,000 of your 80,000 in the pot from BB #2 there is 10,000 + 9,000 in dead money in the pot I realize the villian here is a pretty decent player but i think u have to go with this hand at this point, he doenst have to have AA here. I dont think he is folding anything on the flop to a stop and go but like u said u might as well try. [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Kasey [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
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#5
08-01-2005, 03:25 AM
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Re: Muck it, or %@^$ it?
If I were the opponent I would look at ur call as a setup for the stop n go because ur pot committed, and that w/my pp (which I figure he had)has u beat. If he has any clue as to how good & strong a player u r then he would know that u either would go all in b4 flop or ur going to stop n go. There is no way u would fold at the flop.
If I were against u that is how I would view this situation.
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#6
08-01-2005, 03:30 AM
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Re: Muck it, or %@^$ it?
I just don't think you really have enough chips here to pull this type of play off. Your opponent is getting like 6:1 to call that flop bet... Even if all he has is overs, I would think he's gotta make that call given
1) how much money is in the pot 2) the fact that he'll see 2 more cards without betting 3) a loss won't cripple him. Neither a stop&go nor a push PF will drive your opponent out... You have a better than average hand, but the raiser isn't exactly raising from LP on a steal attempt. I would fold PF, but given the fact that you did play it, I think it was played the best way for you to win (by giving the raiser a chance to get away from a whiffed hand). I hope you turned a 3 or went runner runner hearts
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#7
08-01-2005, 03:42 AM
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Re: Muck it, or %@^$ it?
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sucks that you're in the BB with only 4x, but once you got there... [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. Hey, the 5 is probably live. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Regards, Woodguy
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#8
08-01-2005, 03:43 AM
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Re: Muck it, or %@^$ it?
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Neither a stop&go nor a push PF will drive your opponent out... You have a better than average hand, but the raiser isn't exactly raising from LP on a steal attempt. I would fold PF [/ QUOTE ] seriously? leave yourself with less than 3BB's after your SB?
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#9
08-01-2005, 03:55 AM
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Re: Muck it, or %@^$ it?
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[ QUOTE ] Neither a stop&go nor a push PF will drive your opponent out... You have a better than average hand, but the raiser isn't exactly raising from LP on a steal attempt. I would fold PF [/ QUOTE ] seriously? leave yourself with less than 3BB's after your SB? [/ QUOTE ] I know, it sucks, but yeah. For me personally, I would rather work with around 50k in the next orbit after my sb and look for a spot to make my move than to try and force something with A5o
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