I dont get the turn bet, please help

gyndok · #1 02-28-2005, 02:01 AM

PokerStars (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of 150.
4 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, MP3 calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 bets 5162 (All-In), Hero calls.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot:

Results in white below: 
MP3 has Ts Ks (straight, ace high).
Hero has Ac Jd (two pair, aces and jacks).
Outcome: MP3 wins . 

the hand converter is missing the details for some reason here is the hand history

*********** # 2 **************
PokerStars Game #1281657038: Tournament #5472433, Hold'em Pot Limit - Level VII (150/300) -
2005/02/28 - 00:45:51 (ET)
Table '5472433 5' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: DJDitch (7370 in chips)
Seat 2: junior976 (11520 in chips)
Seat 3: treysfull21 (2705 in chips)
Seat 4: gromalomus (5035 in chips)
Seat 5: cotydogger (8200 in chips)
Seat 6: 1lakers1 (8312 in chips)
Seat 7: gyndok (8882 in chips)
Seat 8: sulcata (3930 in chips)
Seat 9: livvy (9705 in chips)
livvy: posts small blind 150
DJDitch: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gyndok [Ac Jd]
junior976: folds
treysfull21: folds
gromalomus: folds
cotydogger: folds
1lakers1: calls 300
gyndok: raises 600 to 900
sulcata: folds
livvy: folds
DJDitch: folds
1lakers1: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [6d Qd Ah]
1lakers1: checks
gyndok: bets 2250
1lakers1: calls 2250
*** TURN *** [6d Qd Ah] [Td]
1lakers1: bets 5162 and is all-in
gyndok: calls 5162
*** RIVER *** [6d Qd Ah Td] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
1lakers1: shows [Ts Ks] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
gyndok: shows [Ac Jd] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
1lakers1 collected 17074 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 17074 | Rake 0
Board [6d Qd Ah Td Jh]
Seat 1: DJDitch (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: junior976 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: treysfull21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: gromalomus folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: cotydogger folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: 1lakers1 showed [Ts Ks] and won (17074) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 7: gyndok showed [Ac Jd] and lost with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 8: sulcata (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: livvy (small blind) folded before Flop

willie · #2 02-28-2005, 03:09 AM

meh, bad beat story begone!

don't try to figure out what these idiots are doing, just take their chips and move on.

Stoneii · #3 02-28-2005, 04:29 AM

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don't try to figure out what these idiots are doing, just take their chips and move on

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or not, in this case [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

stoneii

Unparagoned · #4 02-28-2005, 10:25 AM

Why can't he be representing a hand? In reality, you're sitting on a very marginal hand that seems like it has been overplayed to me. It's hard to really say without having seen the progression of the table or how the two of you have been playing, but it seems altogether possible that he was representing having made a straight, flush, etc. Perhaps he has made two pair or trips and is now scared of the flush. Like I said, without being able to hear about his read of the situation, it's difficult to evaluate the play I think.

Bernas · #5 02-28-2005, 11:29 AM

Easy, he is representing the flush. Nothing wrong with this play if he thinks you only caught a small piece of the board.

gyndok · #6 02-28-2005, 12:31 PM

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Easy, he is representing the flush. Nothing wrong with this play if he thinks you only caught a small piece of the board.

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well.. I dont give him credit for the nut flush as he limped in and just called my preflop raise. Very dangerous bet for him as I was holding top pair reasonable kicker, gutshot, and a draw to the flush with the Jd. Easy call for me in that spot. He guesses wrong representing the flush here and he is crippled. I think it was a horrible bet..

G

2005 · #7 02-28-2005, 01:07 PM

Jeff, this seems like a bad beat post here. Don't look for insight into the fish's game, look for insight into yours. For instance, you made too small a raise preflop. AJ isn't a hand you want action with and you made an action raise. Make it 12 or 1300 and you may not run into this problem, you'll most likely just pick up the pot preflop.

Gavin Griffin

gyndok · #8 02-28-2005, 01:25 PM

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Jeff, this seems like a bad beat post here. Don't look for insight into the fish's game, look for insight into yours. For instance, you made too small a raise preflop. AJ isn't a hand you want action with and you made an action raise. Make it 12 or 1300 and you may not run into this problem, you'll most likely just pick up the pot preflop.

Gavin Griffin

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Hey Gavin.. Good to hear from you.

Thanks for the advice. Maybe I am wrong, but I prefer not to vary my preflop raises too much as then it will be easy for others to know when I want action or not. I was actually pretty happy with the flop and felt based on the action I was ahead. Clearly I can't laydown to his push on the turn.

You going to be at the Rio next month? I am going the first weekend 3/11-3/14

2005 · #9 02-28-2005, 01:37 PM

Well, you're actually varying your raise to coincide with the size of the pot. The reason you raise to 3x the BB is b/c it's roughly the size of the pot when there are no antes. Since this is an ante tournament, your basic raise at this point should increase already. I generally make it 4x the BB when the antes come into play. Now that you've had a limper, I would make it 5x. No, you're not folding on the turn in this spot.

No, I'm not gonna be at the Rio. I leave tomorrow to go to San Jose for the PPT and then I'm going on the PPM, so I'm gonna take some time off in between. GL there.

Gavin

gyndok · #10 02-28-2005, 01:49 PM

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Easy, he is representing the flush. Nothing wrong with this play if he thinks you only caught a small piece of the board.

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Also, if he hit the flush, why bet? I have been leading at this pot.

If I were in his spot and I hit the flush I would check to the better and then raise. The large bet here smells like a bluff.