Call down?

QTip · #1 04-22-2005, 08:59 AM

Villian is like 27/5/1.4

Is this one of those situations where I should just call down and lose the least and/or win the most?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
6 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

River: (7.16 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 9.16 BB

chief444 · #2 04-22-2005, 09:04 AM

I like it. I think heads up with a draw heavy board and likely holding the best hand raising the turn is better than calling down. I don't think calling down wins you the most.

PokerBob · #3 04-22-2005, 09:18 AM

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Villian is like 27/5/1.4

Is this one of those situations where I should just call down and lose the least and/or win the most?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
6 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

River: (7.16 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 9.16 BB

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Yeah, I'm not nuts about the turn raise. He looks pretty passive, and probably slowed down cuz he irrationally feared that his flush is no good.

If he is on a stone bluff, he'll fold to your turn raise. I think a call-down is prudent here.

chief444 · #4 04-22-2005, 09:26 AM

Don't you think a made flush would typically check/raise the turn? He has absolutely no reason to think QTip wouldn't bet.

QTip · #5 04-22-2005, 09:30 AM

btw Chief....I was planning on folding to a 3 bet...I think that would be standard here. Some people just play a made flush straight up like that...

PokerBob · #6 04-22-2005, 10:02 AM

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Don't you think a made flush would typically check/raise the turn?

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I dunno. If he's got a baby flush, he's not gonna want to miss a bet here.

Assuming you are correct, then what is villain betting? IMO it HAS to be 2-pair, in which case I think a call down is better. Or it is a stone bluff, in which case a raise will only run him off.

chief444 · #7 04-22-2005, 10:07 AM

This falls under the "gaybet" category and I'd say it's usually a worse made hand that still will likely call the raise or a semibluff with the A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. But you're right that a flush is possible. I would bet a flush here a lot of the time. I just felt the average 3/6er goes for a check/raise. But I've been wrong before. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I think if it's a total bluff it's usually the last bet you're getting anyway.

Kluddeludde · #8 04-22-2005, 09:45 AM

I like it.

Kludde

SeaEagle · #9 04-22-2005, 09:52 AM

With a board like this, I generally raise the turn and check the river, and fold to a turn 3-bet or a river bet. My logic was that this approach cost the same as a showdown but gave me fold equity, and that if I bet the river he'd only call with hands that were beating me.

But I think I miss a lot of value bets on the river. Many BBs will play this hand like he did w/ any Q, any 9, or the A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and lately I've been tyring to play it like you did.