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#21
09-13-2005, 10:46 PM
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Re: QQ out of the bb $55, extracting value
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[ QUOTE ] The one thing I can say for sure about this hand is that I hate calling a river raise. [/ QUOTE ] But do you call it? [/ QUOTE ] Sorry, I guess that wasn't clear. No, I wouldn't call. I just don't see him raising with a Jack. You've been check-calling, suddenly you bet out on the river when a scare card comes...he'd be crazy to raise you with top pair, it's too much hand for a bluff and too little for a value raise. 
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#22
09-13-2005, 10:54 PM
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Re: QQ out of the bb $55, extracting value
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The one thing I can say for sure about this hand is that I hate calling a river raise. [/ QUOTE ] But do you call it? [/ QUOTE ] Sorry, I guess that wasn't clear. No, I wouldn't call. I just don't see him raising with a Jack. You've been check-calling, suddenly you bet out on the river when a scare card comes...he'd be crazy to raise you with top pair, it's too much hand for a bluff and too little for a value raise. [/ QUOTE ] This is the closest I've come to being convinced that calling a river raise is incorrect. I guess the hand was played so passively (and against how I would have played it) that you just don't know where you stand. The way I saw it, I found it unlikely that villain would bet a draw on the turn after being called on the flop. Something I'll need to think about and patch up if it turns out to be a leak.
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#23
09-13-2005, 10:56 PM
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Re: QQ out of the bb $55, extracting value
This whole hand is poop. FPS.
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#25
09-13-2005, 11:01 PM
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Re: QQ out of the bb $55, extracting value
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The one thing I can say for sure about this hand is that I hate calling a river raise. [/ QUOTE ] But do you call it? [/ QUOTE ] Sorry, I guess that wasn't clear. No, I wouldn't call. I just don't see him raising with a Jack. You've been check-calling, suddenly you bet out on the river when a scare card comes...he'd be crazy to raise you with top pair, it's too much hand for a bluff and too little for a value raise. [/ QUOTE ] This is the closest I've come to being convinced that calling a river raise is incorrect. I guess the hand was played so passively (and against how I would have played it) that you just don't know where you stand. The way I saw it, I found it unlikely that villain would bet a draw on the turn after being called on the flop. Something I'll need to think about and patch up if it turns out to be a leak. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think it's so much about how likely it is that Villain has a draw once he bets the turn. Just cos it's unlikely he's completed a draw on the river, doesn't mean it's unlikely once he's raised. It would just mean that he'd be raising only rarely.... unless he's raising a lot as a bluff...but that's not likely since, as you've pointed out, he doesn't look like the one's who's on a draw.
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#29
09-13-2005, 11:11 PM
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Re: QQ out of the bb $55, extracting value
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Unarmed, where did your post go? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I posted something, and then I got the feeling that this thread was all a big joke and you guys were just playing backwards poker, so I deleted it. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#30
09-13-2005, 11:11 PM
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[ QUOTE ] So he had a pair of jacks? [/ QUOTE ] affirmative. [/ QUOTE ] PHEW! I'm glad I stuck to my guns. But thanks all for a very interesting discussion. It definitely got me thinking.
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