$10+1 Multi Pokerstars Hand

Jonny5 · #1 08-19-2005, 11:25 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t1005)
MP1 (t850)
Hero (t2970)
MP3 (t3495)
CO (t2635)
Button (t1675)
SB (t1495)
BB (t3130)
UTG (t1860)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t90, MP3 calls t90, 3 folds, BB calls t60.
Flop: (t285) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t150, MP3 calls t150, BB calls t150.
Turn: (t735) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t530, MP3 raises to t3060, BB folds, Hero?

How did I play it thusfar?
What's my play here?

Jonny5 · #2 08-19-2005, 12:26 PM

This is reminding me of getting picked for sports in gym class, nobody wants to answer?

#3 08-19-2005, 12:28 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t1005)
MP1 (t850)
Hero (t2970)
MP3 (t3495)
CO (t2635)
Button (t1675)
SB (t1495)
BB (t3130)
UTG (t1860)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t90, MP3 calls t90, 3 folds, BB calls t60.
Flop: (t285) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t150, MP3 calls t150, BB calls t150.
Turn: (t735) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t530, MP3 raises to t3060, BB folds, Hero?

How did I play it thusfar?
What's my play here?

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It's insta-call IMO, I'm guessing it was some kind of semi-bluff by the raiser where he either had a flush draw or a straight draw for the win. TPTK is a great hand and if I run into aces or kings with it, I take my beat and move on.

#4 08-19-2005, 12:29 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t1005)
MP1 (t850)
Hero (t2970)
MP3 (t3495)
CO (t2635)
Button (t1675)
SB (t1495)
BB (t3130)
UTG (t1860)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t90, MP3 calls t90, 3 folds, BB calls t60.
Flop: (t285) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t150, MP3 calls t150, BB calls t150.
Turn: (t735) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t530, MP3 raises to t3060, BB folds, Hero?

How did I play it thusfar?
What's my play here?

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You played it perfectly to that point. Or atleast the same way I would.

holman3rd · #5 08-19-2005, 12:43 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t1005)
MP1 (t850)
Hero (t2970)
MP3 (t3495)
CO (t2635)
Button (t1675)
SB (t1495)
BB (t3130)
UTG (t1860)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t90, MP3 calls t90, 3 folds, BB calls t60.
Flop: (t285) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t150, MP3 calls t150, BB calls t150.
Turn: (t735) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t530, MP3 raises to t3060, BB folds, Hero?

How did I play it thusfar?
What's my play here?

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It's insta-call IMO, I'm guessing it was some kind of semi-bluff by the raiser where he either had a flush draw or a straight draw for the win. TPTK is a great hand and if I run into aces or kings with it, I take my beat and move on.

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Wow, really? If he had a flush draw, why would he wait to push after missing on the turn? If he now has a straight draw (catching the 10 on the turn), would he really have called on the flop with a double gutshot? I say you're up against 44 or 77...I fold. Could be AA/KK/QQ that slowplayed and is now worried about straight draws. I think you're behind or already drawing dead.

#6 08-19-2005, 12:47 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t1005)
MP1 (t850)
Hero (t2970)
MP3 (t3495)
CO (t2635)
Button (t1675)
SB (t1495)
BB (t3130)
UTG (t1860)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t90, MP3 calls t90, 3 folds, BB calls t60.
Flop: (t285) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t150, MP3 calls t150, BB calls t150.
Turn: (t735) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t530, MP3 raises to t3060, BB folds, Hero?

How did I play it thusfar?
What's my play here?

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It's insta-call IMO, I'm guessing it was some kind of semi-bluff by the raiser where he either had a flush draw or a straight draw for the win. TPTK is a great hand and if I run into aces or kings with it, I take my beat and move on.

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Wow, really? If he had a flush draw, why would he wait to push after missing on the turn? If he now has a straight draw (catching the 10 on the turn), would he really have called on the flop with a double gutshot? I say you're up against 44 or 77...I fold. Could be AA/KK/QQ that slowplayed and is now worried about straight draws. I think you're behind or already drawing dead.

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You may have ran into a set that's true but you also win this situation a ton more times than you lose it. The all-in move is not a value bet, it shows fear. Of course he's drawing dead that's why he posted it. We make a good play get bad results and question the validity of the play.

holman3rd · #7 08-19-2005, 12:52 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t1005)
MP1 (t850)
Hero (t2970)
MP3 (t3495)
CO (t2635)
Button (t1675)
SB (t1495)
BB (t3130)
UTG (t1860)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t90, MP3 calls t90, 3 folds, BB calls t60.
Flop: (t285) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t150, MP3 calls t150, BB calls t150.
Turn: (t735) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t530, MP3 raises to t3060, BB folds, Hero?

How did I play it thusfar?
What's my play here?

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It's insta-call IMO, I'm guessing it was some kind of semi-bluff by the raiser where he either had a flush draw or a straight draw for the win. TPTK is a great hand and if I run into aces or kings with it, I take my beat and move on.

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Wow, really? If he had a flush draw, why would he wait to push after missing on the turn? If he now has a straight draw (catching the 10 on the turn), would he really have called on the flop with a double gutshot? I say you're up against 44 or 77...I fold. Could be AA/KK/QQ that slowplayed and is now worried about straight draws. I think you're behind or already drawing dead.

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You may have ran into a set that's true but you also win this situation a ton more times than you lose it. The all-in move is not a value bet, it shows fear. Of course he's drawing dead that's why he posted it. We make a good play get bad results and question the validity of the play.

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I agree with your previous assessment that he played this well up to that point. I'm assuming you would call here. Could hero be ahead here? Sure. But this early with a deep stack, why take the chance? My read is that villian has an overpair or a set. IMO, his betting doesn't make sense for a flopped flush draw or a turned straight draw.

#8 08-19-2005, 12:57 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t1005)
MP1 (t850)
Hero (t2970)
MP3 (t3495)
CO (t2635)
Button (t1675)
SB (t1495)
BB (t3130)
UTG (t1860)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t90, MP3 calls t90, 3 folds, BB calls t60.
Flop: (t285) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t150, MP3 calls t150, BB calls t150.
Turn: (t735) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t530, MP3 raises to t3060, BB folds, Hero?

How did I play it thusfar?
What's my play here?

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It's insta-call IMO, I'm guessing it was some kind of semi-bluff by the raiser where he either had a flush draw or a straight draw for the win. TPTK is a great hand and if I run into aces or kings with it, I take my beat and move on.

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Wow, really? If he had a flush draw, why would he wait to push after missing on the turn? If he now has a straight draw (catching the 10 on the turn), would he really have called on the flop with a double gutshot? I say you're up against 44 or 77...I fold. Could be AA/KK/QQ that slowplayed and is now worried about straight draws. I think you're behind or already drawing dead.

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You may have ran into a set that's true but you also win this situation a ton more times than you lose it. The all-in move is not a value bet, it shows fear. Of course he's drawing dead that's why he posted it. We make a good play get bad results and question the validity of the play.

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I agree with your previous assessment that he played this well up to that point. I'm assuming you would call here. Could hero be ahead here? Sure. But this early with a deep stack, why take the chance? My read is that villian has an overpair or a set. IMO, his betting doesn't make sense for a flopped flush draw or a turned straight draw.

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Rational players don't use the all-in move much early in a tournament. But, you can't apply rational to the early stages of a 10+1 on stars. Villain could have anything there are too many weak players not to cash in on this situation. You will take it down more times than you will lose it.

Jonny5 · #9 08-19-2005, 01:25 PM

Turn: (t735) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t530, MP3 raises to t3060, BB folds, Hero calls t2200 (All-In).

River: (t6525) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

MP3 has 10[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Final Pot: t6525

I didn't just post this because to rationalize a bad play. I was really on the fence and used my full time bank for this, I was very close to folding and couldn't pull the trigger. (Or let go of the trigger) I'm suprised that more people aren't saying fold. I didn't expect the TT (although it crossed my mind), but I figured he may have flopped a set and waited till the turn to raise me.

I do believe I shoulda have bet 3/4 pot on the flop rather than 1/2 to give flush draws worse odds.

#10 08-19-2005, 01:39 PM

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Turn: (t735) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t530, MP3 raises to t3060, BB folds, Hero calls t2200 (All-In).

River: (t6525) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

MP3 has 10[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Final Pot: t6525

I didn't just post this because to rationalize a bad play. I was really on the fence and used my full time bank for this, I was very close to folding and couldn't pull the trigger. (Or let go of the trigger) I'm suprised that more people aren't saying fold. I didn't expect the TT (although it crossed my mind), but I figured he may have flopped a set and waited till the turn to raise me.

I do believe I shoulda have bet 3/4 pot on the flop rather than 1/2 to give flush draws worse odds.

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Yeah I like a pot size bet in this spot. Really make them pay to draw out on you. Here's the Pokenum analysis, so it's a pretty bad beat

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1160986
pokenum -h as qs - th ts -- qd 7h 4d
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Qd 4d 7h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Qs 903 91.21 87 8.79 0 0.00 0.912
Ts Th 87 8.79 903 91.21 0 0.00 0.088