Unusual PF play.

[Apathy]

Lost the HH.
blinds 15/30
MP limps (1.3k) I limp with 99 and 900 chips, co limps (1k), button minraises to 60 (1k), BB calls (700), MP calls....


Apathy Pushes.

Do other people make this sort of play consistantly? I would often tend to take a flop here.

[syka16]

do you think that's better than trying for a set?

[Apathy]

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do you think that's better than trying for a set?

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Well that's what this thread is about. Share your opinion and maybe we can get a discussion going.

[syka16]

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do you think that's better than trying for a set?

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Well that's what this thread is about. Share your opinion and maybe we can get a discussion going.

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suppose these #s are correct.

you push 99 everyone folds + EV210
you push and are called by 88, 99, TT, JJ AQ+ (win 50.5%) +EV65


I guess you're called 20% and you steal 80%... dunno.

If so, +EV180 is the total from the move... I don't know if a set is higher EV... but that looks pretty good if my #s are correct



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[pergesu]

Wow I did the exact same thing today, but I was in the SB with 99.

I initally limped so that I could hit a set. Then the BB minraised, there were two callers. I could play for a set here, but now there's like 450 in the pot (level 3), which increases my stack by 50%. So I'm happy to try to take it right now after nobody showed real strength, plus I have a hand that figures to rate well when called.

I think that's exactly what you did here. Limped for a set, then after the min-raise, the pot increases your stack by ~200, or 22%, so it's worth trying to take.

I would like it better at the next level, when the pot is even bigger, but I like it a lot here too.

[Apathy]

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I would like it better at the next level, when the pot is even bigger, but I like it a lot here too.

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Don't you think it is much less likely anyone has a strong hand at this blind level with the given action rather then at 25/50 with the same action and stack sizes?

[Bonafone]

I do it occasionally at the 55's.

One thing to consider is that most opponents know that you will not overlimp with aa/kk here, which may or may not increase the chances of getting a call depending on your opponents. (yes i know this isn't much help)

[Apathy]

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I do it occasionally at the 55's.

One thing to consider is that most opponents know that you will not overlimp with aa/kk here, which may or may not increase the chances of getting a call depending on your opponents. (yes i know this isn't much help)

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The fact that your opponents will be making almost perfect decisions after you push is quite important here actually.

[microbet]

That will be true most of the time you push with 99, but often you can't fold it and can't trap with it.

You possibly be making their raise and call preflop a pretty decent mistake.

And, still some donks will call with a lower PP and some rocks will fold TT or JJ, which would be huge mistakes either way.

It was a good point, just some counters, and trying to make peace after my canada bashing.

[viennagreen]

i agree that at the 25/50 level, the likelihood of running into a strong hand increases and also increases with increasing buy-in level