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Help discounting outs
I think I’m giving myself too many outs so I thought I’d post some situations to see how many outs you guys would apply. If there are any other variables you might consider (like your opponent, # of opponents or position) please let me know.
All suited hands are spades 1.JTs Board:6h7sQs 2.35s Board:6h7sQs 3.5h5s Board:6c7h8d 4.9h9s Board:TsJsQh 5.JhJs Board:9dTdQd 6.98s Board:7s6s7cTc 7.KsQh Board:JcTc9sQc 8.98s Board:QcJd6d5d Thanks |
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Re: Help discounting outs
This is a good exercise. I am counting all outs to improve. I am in no way in a position to add the positional handicap. Being a newbie, I will leave that to the pooh-bahs.
1.JTs Board:6h7sQs => 10.5 2.35s Board:6h7sQs => 3 3.5h5s Board:6c7h8d => 8 4.9h9s Board:TsJsQh => 9.5 5.JhJs Board:9dTdQd => 7, figuring I am beaten if another D falls 6.98s Board:7s8s7cTc => ? How many 8 of spades in this deck? 7.KsQh Board:JcTc9sQc => 7 8.98s Board:QcJd6d5d => 6 |
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Re: Help discounting outs
1. At the very least, you have about 8 outs with this hand (about 31% equity against a big field). In a HU situation, your hand might be worth as many as 17 outs (about 60% equity). At the very least, you will have 10 outs playing HU (39% equity).
2. HU this hand is worth about 13-14 outs (about 50% equity). Against a big field it is good for at least 7-8 outs. JTs is a stronger hand then 53s in this spot though. 3. Your hand is worth about 3-4 outs against a field. 4. 4-5 outs multiway. 5. 5 outs. 6. Your hand is worth close to 30 outs. HU you have almost all the equity. 7. This is a strong hand. It is worth about 15-20 outs. 8. Not so good, maybe 4-5 outs. Brad |
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Re: Help discounting outs
Sorry changed it to 6s
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Re: Help discounting outs
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6. Your hand is worth close to 30 outs. HU you have almost all the equity. [/ QUOTE ] 30 outs??? I only see 9 cards (the 9 remaining spades) that will give hero a better hand. |
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Re: Help discounting outs
We have a straight and a flush draw. We have tons of equity here.
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Re: Help discounting outs
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We have a straight and a flush draw. We have tons of equity here. [/ QUOTE ] Wait, are we counting equity or outs in this exercise? Or are you figuring the equity and then converting that to outs? |
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Re: Help discounting outs
1.JTs
Board:6h7sQs => 10.5 (9 for the flush, 1.5 for BDSD) 2.35s Board:6h7sQs => 12 (9 flush, 3 remaining 4s) 3.5h5s Board:6c7h8d => 4 (4 4s) 4.9h9s Board:TsJsQh => 3.5 (4 8s discounted for flush, if a 4th club comes on river, we still might not win) 5.JhJs Board:9dTdQd => 6 (3 non-[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Ks, 3 8s non-[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) 6.98s Board:7s6s7cTc => depends on preflop, flop action. we may still lose to a full house. MAYBE 8 (remaining [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]s with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] removed) 7.KsQh Board:JcTc9sQc => 3 (3 non-[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Aces) i don't know how we have more than that with a flush possible and if a King comes, we either split or lose to an Ace-high straight, and we may still split if another Q comes in. 8.98s Board:QcJd6d5d => 4.5 (3 remaining non-[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7s, 1.5 discounted remaining non-[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Ts) |
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Re: Help discounting outs
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6.98s Board:7s6s7cTc => depends on preflop, flop action. we may still lose to a full house. MAYBE 8 (remaining [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]s with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] removed) [/ QUOTE ] T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] is the ONE card we would love to see fall here. |
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Re: Help discounting outs
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[ QUOTE ] 6.98s Board:7s6s7cTc => depends on preflop, flop action. we may still lose to a full house. MAYBE 8 (remaining [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]s with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] removed) [/ QUOTE ] T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] is the ONE card we would love to see fall here. [/ QUOTE ] ooop, you are correct. i missed the straight flush [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] |
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