Folding the flop for one bet is cool

SNOWBALL138 · #1 12-06-2005, 12:46 AM

I didn't like my odds on the flop, but mainly I didn't like my position. It could easily be raised behind me. I'm not entirely happy about he 2 spades on the board either, even though I have the K of spades which is nice.

The guy who led the flop was pretty laggy. He was 55/1.2/0 or something like that. My first thought was to raise, but I didn't really think I could push out anyone with middle pair behind me, and I didn't want to fatten the pot so much that I would have to peel the turn when it blanks off.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, Hero folds, UTG+2 raises, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: (9 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds.

River: (12 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, UTG+2 calls, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: 14 BB

hobbsmann · #2 12-06-2005, 12:57 AM

I don't fold this flop. We have two backdoor draws and over cards that might or might not be good, but I'd estimate we have 6ish outs on average and getting 11:1 I don't mind calling even though we aren't closing the action.

Does anybody think this is an ok spot to raise?

silkyslim · #3 12-06-2005, 01:18 AM

I just had a microbrew, so im gonna say raise this flop. Laggy arsehole has any 2, so you want to maximize winning chances and protect here. THe backdoor draws tilt me oer the edge. I think folding is a mistake.

bambi · #4 12-06-2005, 01:32 AM

I think raising this flop depends on the people behind you are, if they are tight i raise and take a free turn card if i dont hit, then can decide on the river if i want to call with AK UI, however if the opponents behind are a bit aggressive i would hate for this to come back to me having to call 2 more cold.

So on a normal table i call, and then when we hit the best card in the deck for us on the turn, i raise then.

jason_t · #5 12-06-2005, 01:52 AM

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The guy who led the flop was pretty laggy. He was 55/1.2/0 or something like that.

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That's LAGgy?

SNOWBALL138 · #6 12-06-2005, 07:58 AM

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The guy who led the flop was pretty laggy. He was 55/1.2/0 or something like that.

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That's LAGgy?

I got the stats wrong. He was 50/8/1.73. Isn't 1.73 postflop AF high for a 50vpip player? But stats aside, this guy was a super-freak. He liked to get busy with overcards/any pair/draw.

jason_t · #7 12-06-2005, 12:38 PM

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The guy who led the flop was pretty laggy. He was 55/1.2/0 or something like that.

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That's LAGgy?

I got the stats wrong. He was 50/8/1.73. Isn't 1.73 postflop AF high for a 50vpip player? But stats aside, this guy was a super-freak. He liked to get busy with overcards/any pair/draw.

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Okay. Raise.

#8 12-06-2005, 12:59 PM

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Okay. Raise.

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I really admire the way you play and everything you add to topics that you post in and am intrigued as to why raising this flop is better than waiting till the turn to put in a raise against this aggro opponent?

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#9 12-06-2005, 01:04 PM

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Okay. Raise.

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I really admire the way you play and everything you add to topics that you post in and am intrigued as to why raising this flop is better than waiting till the turn to put in a raise against this aggro opponent?

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Personally, I relate this to slowplaying, and slowplaying can bite you in the ass if someone draws out to the best hand because you gave them the pot odds to do so.

Slowplaying sucks.

PokerBob · #10 12-07-2005, 08:08 AM

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Okay. Raise.

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I really admire the way you play and everything you add to topics that you post in and am intrigued as to why raising this flop is better than waiting till the turn to put in a raise against this aggro opponent?

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Get rid of the other dudes in the pot, who likely are not wrong to call one bet on the flop and may indeed have to fold better hands to the raise (bottom pair, etc.)