WPT Championship Event hand

Paluka · #1 04-21-2005, 10:47 AM

35 minutes into the WPT Championship. Blinds are 50-100, and everyone has around 50k in chips. Two limpers, you limp with KQo, button limps. Now the big blind raises to 750, everybody calls. Five to the flop.
Flop Ks6d5c. Checked around.
Turn Qs. Check, check, limper bets 3500, now you raise to 10,000. Now the button goes all in. All fold to you.
Do you call or fold?

DireWolf · #2 04-21-2005, 11:15 AM

Fold. The only hand i can see you being ahead of here is 7s8s. I give him credit for a set of fives or sixes. The stacks are so deep here, you have to move on.

Mike Gallo · #3 04-21-2005, 10:31 PM

If the button had a set, why didnt he make a probe bet on the flop?

Better yet, why would he kill his action on the turn after failing to bet the flop.

I see an inconsistency in betting patterns here.

schwza · #4 04-21-2005, 12:14 PM

this is why i don't play KQo for a raise.

Nottom · #5 04-22-2005, 01:49 AM

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this is why i don't play KQo for a raise.

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So you don't play KQ becasue you might make 2-pair and get raised?

Paluka · #6 04-22-2005, 10:00 AM

I'm glad this thread is finally getting some better responses than "I fold because I'm wimpy."

The_Bends · #7 04-22-2005, 11:08 AM

Without a serious read this is getting folded. AK does not check the flop, a set might well. Basically people are looking for the villian to have 56 to double up or KQ to split. I doubt the button is playing K/Q/5/6 for a raise, in position or not. Even disregarding that he's moved all in with a massively deep stack putting his whole tourny on the line after a bet and a strong raise.

If he's bluffing then its a stupid/genius move and you give him the chips and live on. If called an got shown a set I'd be unbelieveably angry at myself. I'd lay this down in a $25 tourny and I'd sure as hell lay it down in the WPT

MLG · #8 04-21-2005, 12:17 PM

does the button have his starting 50k still? I can't really see KK/QQ here (limping the first time maybe, but just calling the 2nd time I highly doubt) so that gives you basically the 3rd nuts. This would be a pretty bad play by the button with a hand like 56s or K5s or something, but its the kind of bad play that inexperienced deep stack players make (pumping good but not great hands). If I respect the player enough that I believe he wont make that mistake I fold. If I don't its probably a call.

schwza · #9 04-21-2005, 02:52 PM

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This would be a pretty bad play by the button with a hand like 56s or K5s or something

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JOOC, what do you do with one of these hands in that spot? call? fold? deep stack poker still eludes me.

MLG · #10 04-21-2005, 02:57 PM

I think I call in that spot, but I definitely bet the flop with a raggedy two pair.