Two bad folds??

LuvDemNutz · #1 04-17-2005, 04:34 PM

HAND 1 -

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BB ($151)
UTG ($525.92)
UTG+1 ($636.4)
UTG+2 ($549.9)
MP1 ($394)
MP2 ($146)
MP3 ($309.72)
CO ($200)
Hero ($394)
SB ($230)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $4. SB posts a blind of $2.
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $18, 1 fold, MP2 calls $18, MP3 calls $18, 1 fold, Hero calls $18, SB (poster) calls $16, 1 fold.

Flop: ($98) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets $25, Hero raises to $85, SB folds, UTG+2 raises to $375, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $583

Results in white below: 
No showdown. UTG+2 wins $583. 

Villain claimed to have AJ.

HAND 2 -

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SB ($780.4)
BB ($400)
UTG ($880.33)
Hero ($394)
UTG+2 ($168.7)
MP1 ($450)
MP2 ($535.24)
MP3 ($698.55)
CO ($456.1)
Button ($200.78)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, Hero raises to $15, 1 fold, MP1 calls $15, 2 folds, CO calls $15, Button calls $15, 2 folds.

Flop: ($66) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets $39, MP1 calls $39, Button is all-In [$185.78], CO folds, Hero folds, MP1 calls $146.78.

Turn: ($290.78) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($290.78) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $290.78

Thoughts on each hand appreciated.

Popinjay · #2 04-17-2005, 04:42 PM

some reads would be nice?

LuvDemNutz · #3 04-17-2005, 04:51 PM

Hand 1 - UTG+2 was mildly loose, VPIP in the low 20's- that's the only read I had on him. MP that led for the $25 was a maniac that bet whenever checked to with ANY holding.
My thought was that UTG+2 purposely checked to maniac expecting him to bet so he could collect overcalls and reraise. The question is would he do this with AJ, AK or only with a really strong holding such as JJ or AA.

Hand 2 - No read on the Villain who went all-in but the first player who simply called my $39 bet was pretty loose/passive.

someguy123 · #4 04-17-2005, 04:52 PM

Hand 1 is a little weak, i cant se villian go allin in this spot with AA or JJ cause with your raise he cant fear anyone drawing to an inside str8. but there are several cards he wouldnt like if he had AJ and i think thats why he pushed.

Hand 2 i would fold. maybe they just have a draw or something like that. But there is to much of a chance you are already beat. But still that push looks like 8 with a flush draw. or OESD with flush draw. i would still lean towards folding.

padirk165 · #5 04-17-2005, 05:30 PM

Hand 1 - I dont like folding here at all with this board villain would not push AA or JJ since only draw is a gutshot, even with two players in the hand I would still expect him to slowplay flop and CR turn. I think his hand is pretty defined to AJ or a poorly played AK.

topout · #6 04-17-2005, 07:00 PM

Hand 1: He checked then there was a raise and a re-raise then he went all in. I can see JJ playing that way because if he just calls he's first to act on the turn.
It's playing 2-1 though and AJ would also be played this way. AJ is more common. Not that tough a call.

Hand 2: It's 2.25-1 and I hate the idea of just folding your overpair everytime someone shows strength. Despite that, in the absence of a read and more importantly if he can't have a read on you, in a game against anyone but elite player it's an easy lay down.
You can hope that both are drawing and MP1 has some of villians outs but MP1's play doesn't rule out a set, which is more reason to a fold.

topout

someguy123 · #7 04-17-2005, 07:15 PM

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Hand 1: He checked then there was a raise and a re-raise then he went all in. I can see JJ playing that way because if he just calls he's first to act on the turn.

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Well the first bet is just 1/4 and the raise is a raise you would do with AK/AQ 2/3 of the pot. So i cant say it shows that much strenght. I would say its just like one of them would bet the pot as first one to act.

topout · #8 04-17-2005, 07:51 PM

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Hand 1: He checked then there was a raise and a re-raise then he went all in. I can see JJ playing that way because if he just calls he's first to act on the turn.

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Well the first bet is just 1/4 and the raise is a raise you would do with AK/AQ 2/3 of the pot. So i cant say it shows that much strenght. I would say its just like one of them would bet the pot as first one to act.

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How do you think he would have played JJ?
I don't see the weakness necessary to rule out JJ. Do you?
Is JJ the most likely hand here? Certainly not.

topout

creedofhubris · #9 04-17-2005, 10:06 PM

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HAND 1 -

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

BB ($151)
UTG ($525.92)
UTG+1 ($636.4)
UTG+2 ($549.9)
MP1 ($394)
MP2 ($146)
MP3 ($309.72)
CO ($200)
Hero ($394)
SB ($230)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $4. SB posts a blind of $2.
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $18, 1 fold, MP2 calls $18, MP3 calls $18, 1 fold, Hero calls $18, SB (poster) calls $16, 1 fold.

Flop: ($98) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets $25, Hero raises to $85, SB folds, UTG+2 raises to $375, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $583

Results in white below: 
No showdown. UTG+2 wins $583. 

Villain claimed to have AJ.

HAND 2 -

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SB ($780.4)
BB ($400)
UTG ($880.33)
Hero ($394)
UTG+2 ($168.7)
MP1 ($450)
MP2 ($535.24)
MP3 ($698.55)
CO ($456.1)
Button ($200.78)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, Hero raises to $15, 1 fold, MP1 calls $15, 2 folds, CO calls $15, Button calls $15, 2 folds.

Flop: ($66) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets $39, MP1 calls $39, Button is all-In [$185.78], CO folds, Hero folds, MP1 calls $146.78.

Turn: ($290.78) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($290.78) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $290.78

Thoughts on each hand appreciated.

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Hand #1: pretty narrow range of hands that beat you. If I'm on AAA or JJJ on this drawless board, I am trapping, not raising all-in on the flop.

So I'd call here with your hand.

Hand #2: It's only another $100, and there are no overcards to your queens... I'm calling this one too.

creedofhubris · #10 04-17-2005, 10:08 PM

After thinking about it, I would go so far as to say that these two hands are routine calls.

Perhaps you should be sticking around in more pots in general?