Is this bad etiquette?

[Rick Nebiolo]

From a recent fixed buy NL game.

Sort of tight player in seat 4 and super action player in seat 6 get all the money in before the flop. Seat 6 covers by a bit and pot is about $900. Seat 6 immediately shows a pair of kings. Flop comes small cards unsuited. Seat 6 is excited. Seat 4 doesn't show any emotion nor does he show his cards. Turn is an offsuit baby. Seat 4 stays quiet. River is another blank. Seat 6 is still excited. Seat 4 now turns over AA (surprise!) and wins the pot.

It turns out seat 6 didn't get upset but in my experience many would and maybe even have left the table.

Was seat 4 wrong to not show his hand once he had the big lead after the flop with the money all-in?

[Jeffage]

Who put in the last bet preflop?

Jeff

[mikech]

it's not a tournament, no need to flip the cards up.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Who put in the last bet preflop?

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I should have mentioned this. BTF seat 3 makes a normal raise (to $30 or so), seat 4 makes a normal reraise (to about $120), and now seat 6 goes all in. Seat 3 goes into the tank and then folds queens face up. Seat 4 then calls.

What bothered me is that seat 6 is a very loose recreational player who also seems to be a real nice guy. To keep the game fun I think it's best to show right away given aces were a mile ahead.

~ Rick

[Jeffage]

I think it's best for him to just table his cards, but I don't think it was bad ettiquette for him not to do so since he called the other guy's all-in bet. He is entitled to see his cards first and since the showdown isn't until the last card is dealt, his waiting is fine (if a king rivers, he can just muck for example).

That said, I just turn my cards over either way in these spots.

Jeff

[Photoc]

He doesn't have to table them until he's sure he's won the pot, plain and simple. If people are going to get mad and leave, let them. Someone will take their spot. If this kind of thing makes a player quit playing poker, then they have a lot more serious personal issues that you would imagine.

It's not a tournament. The showdown is at the end of the hand, no preflop.

[Brain]

No, he certainly doesn't have to, but I think I would. I don't play live NL and maybe I've watched too much TV, but it seems like this would be best for a happy game.

[Justin A]

I've played with poeple who are embarrassed to lose with AA and therefore won't show their hand until they're sure they've won.

[Photoc]

As for etiquette...as a player, I could care less what they do with their cards, unless they are angle shooting. Just ship me the pot when I win is all that I ask.

[Brain]

No, that's fine. I was just trying to put myself in the mind of a tourist too.