$215: Interesting use of the min. bet

[Roland32]

I have on occasion slid the bar and have accidently slide back to a min bet. I am thinking that it may be a real possibility but then again he did min raise preflop. OT I have learned from those accidents that against aggressive opponenets min bets on turn will often lead to reraise all ins making it a possible trap move against the right opponent.

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Also, I'm not real interested in opening up the betting on the turn as it allows villain to C/R with hands I currently have beat.

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Why do you care whether his alleged bluff occurs on the turn or the river?

[Irieguy]

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I remember in a post a long time ago Greg Raymer said to treat a min bet like a check, what would you do if he checked the turn?

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Yes, I remember Greg's post saying that... and I would say that it's true insofar as a min-bet is usually closer to a check than a real bet.

But in this particular case it seemed to me as though the villain was min-betting specifically to find out whether or not he would be able to bluff me off the hand on the river.

If he had checked, I would have checked behind, of course.

Irieguy

[kong98]

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That's the only two-card combination that it would be essentialy impossible for him to have.

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I don't understand why he can't have AJ? Can someone please throw me a bone and explain why this is impossible? He would have raised bigger pre-flop? Not bet as much on the flop? Never played the hand in the first place?

Help...

[Irieguy]

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I don't understand why he can't have AJ? Can someone please throw me a bone and explain why this is impossible? He would have raised bigger pre-flop? Not bet as much on the flop? Never played the hand in the first place?

Help...

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If you have top-pair, top-kicker on the turn, and there is a flush draw on board... how much would you bet into a 400 chip pot? If you were to play that situation 100 times, how often would you bet 15? If you were to ask 100 players how they would play it, how many would say "I would min-bet, of course?"

He could have an underpair, a set, a flush draw, an ace, or any two cards other than AJ... but he can't have AJ.

Irieguy

[The Yugoslavian]

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how many would say "I would min-bet, of course?"


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Exactly one.

Your pops, [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img].

Yugoslav
Who thinks this thread is pretty dope....
PS What if he bets out 1/3 pot on the turn?

[ilya]

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Also, I'm not real interested in opening up the betting on the turn as it allows villain to C/R with hands I currently have beat.

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Why do you care whether his alleged bluff occurs on the turn or the river?

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It's harder to call on the turn as you will have shown strength by betting when you could have checked.

[kong98]

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He could have an underpair, a set, a flush draw, an ace, or any two cards other than AJ... but he can't have AJ.


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Damn... it always seems obvious once someone spells it out for me. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] Thanks for the help!

[Jman28]

I like the way you played the turn and river, and for all the reasons that have already been stated.

I would've folded preflop and on the flop without reads, but I'm not saying that I'm right.

What do you do if he bets 3/4 pot on the turn?

[SCfuji]

hey irieguy

what do you think most villains who minbet the turn would do if you min-raised the turn?

do you see them checking the river most of the time or leading the river with a pot-sized bet?

thanks
fuji