88 your play?

lane mcbride · #1 12-20-2005, 03:57 PM

just sat down at table, no reads
okay... a few questions.
1.) do most of you raise preflop here?
2.) raise the flop or just call?
3.) turn and river are played fine right?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (7.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 calls.

River: (11.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB

#2 12-20-2005, 04:01 PM

1. pf looks good.
2. raise the flop

everything else looks good.

gopnik · #3 12-20-2005, 04:09 PM

I just call preflop since you cannot isolate anymore and I raise the flop, the board is semi coordinated and the pot is big enough to start knocking out people.

TheHip41 · #4 12-20-2005, 05:34 PM

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I just call preflop since you cannot isolate anymore and I raise the flop, the board is semi coordinated and the pot is big enough to start knocking out people.

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You aren't isolating preflop, you are raising 5 limpers with a PP. When you flop a set, you get anyone with 1 pair chasing while drawing dead.

This is one of those hands where I'd bet everytime it was my turn. If another spade hits the river, then I will slow down.

gopnik · #5 12-20-2005, 06:14 PM

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You aren't isolating preflop, you are raising 5 limpers with a PP. When you flop a set, you get anyone with 1 pair chasing while drawing dead.

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it has been probably discussed before many times, but I don't see any reason to raise since your equity is only 8% of the current pot (maybe a little bit more since once in a blue moon your pair of 8s will hold up). You need 12 limpers for the raise to be correct.

bozlax · #6 12-20-2005, 06:32 PM

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your equity is only 8% of the current pot

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Preflop isn't about equity.

gopnik · #7 12-20-2005, 07:02 PM

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your equity is only 8% of the current pot

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Preflop isn't about equity.

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Well, let's think about it. If raising 5 limpers is profitable, that means I want to put as many bets as I can as long as all 5 limpers call, right? So, I put 16% of the total money that is going in and will have to fold around 90% of the time on the flop. Please, explain why raise with 88 is profitable here.

chief444 · #8 12-20-2005, 07:13 PM

8%....no.

@bsolute_luck · #9 12-20-2005, 04:44 PM

preflop is goot. value, get a free card on flop, increase pot to hit your set and odds to draw.

flop: gotta raise. yes you have a set, but letting a straight/flush draw play cheap is bad. plus you could get MAD action from a lower set or a goofy played AA or something.

#10 12-20-2005, 04:50 PM

There are two players to act after you on the flop. Your raise will protect against gutshots, which is what you want to protect against. Flush draws will probably coldcall anyway, so you'll just get more value here. The pot is large, but it is not ridiculous. I think raising the flop is fine.