Common Party $3-$6 Situation - Page 9

exist · #81 08-30-2004, 12:17 AM

how about a river 3 bet with nothing? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $5.
UTG (poster) checks, MP folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG folds, Button calls, SB folds.

Turn: (3 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (5 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, Hero caps, Button folds.

Final Pot: 12 BB

sethypooh21 · #82 08-30-2004, 01:44 AM

How bout this one...mindless aggression on every street with K high on an A high 4 flushed board.

Ultimate Bet 1/2 Hold'em (5 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, 1 fold, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, MP folds, SB caps, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, UTG folds, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (15.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17.50 BB
Main Pot: 17.50 BB, between SB and Hero. > Pot won by Hero (17.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
SB shows Kc Jc (one pair, fives).
Hero shows Ah Qd (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 17.50 BB.

RED_RAIN · #83 08-30-2004, 01:49 AM

I still never got the point in posting hands where we go against a maniac moron.

Personally I gain nothing from these posts as anyone who has played a good amount has ran into these people.

If there was a thread of the biggest moron/maniac ever, then sure. Other than that, I find these one of the lamest posts.

G. Ed Conly · #84 08-30-2004, 08:14 AM

Same scenario-- MP and we raise with J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] , this time.

Flop is Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

only BB calls and he/she lead bets the flop. Now what's best?

Does the best play change if the 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is instead 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]?

RED_RAIN · #85 08-30-2004, 10:16 AM

No...but now they could be going for a gutshot.

Ed Miller · #86 08-30-2004, 10:30 AM

How you would approach this decision?

He likely has no more than three outs if behind, and the pot is relatively small, so I'm not worried about betting to protect my hand.

Therefore once he checks the turn, my goal will be to get as many bets out of him as possible. If I think he'll fold to the turn bet, I'll check. If I think he'll call it, I'll bet.

You should also be more willing to check against someone who would bet the flop, but go for a checkraise on the turn. Most people never make that play, but if your opponent does, that's reason to consider checking.

cnfuzzd · #87 08-30-2004, 03:58 PM

I think these "laugh at the moron" posts go best in the micro forum, regardless of the stakes, because so many people there forget how stupid some people can be.

peace

john nickle

sethypooh21 · #88 08-30-2004, 04:26 PM

I think that's the point. We all have a ton of these types of hands. That's to counter to the earlier series of replies questioning whether this type of play was at all common. Hopefully the poster who was convinced that bluff 3-betting the turn into a PFR with A high on a K22 board is a rare thing will recognize that none of the examples posted took us a great deal of time to dig up because they are so common at these limits.

WDC · #89 08-30-2004, 04:40 PM

I think the lower the pocket pair pair the more likely I am raising the turn trying to buy it there if he does not have king does have overcrads to my pair. Raise the turn with 9's 10's Call with q's and j's.

MarkD · #90 08-30-2004, 04:54 PM

The lower my pocket pair the more likely I am to raise the flop. For example, if you had 88 on this K22 board you should raise when he bets into you as your hand is much more vulnerable to overcards and you will often pick up the pot there or with a follow up bet on the turn.