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Old 12-15-2005, 03:15 AM
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People who gamble against the house on the internet are sick. At least people who suck at poker have a chance of one day becoming profitable players. These guys are just throwing money down a hole.

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I agree. Lots of 2p2 tards throwing hard earned poker income down that hole.
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Old 12-15-2005, 03:21 AM
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Default Re: Party blackjack is attracting some sick gamblers

Does anyone actually believe that Party's BJ is legit?

Wondering because I don't.
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Old 12-15-2005, 03:50 AM
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According to Wizardofodds.com blackjack calculator the edge is about .55% with perfect play.
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Old 12-15-2005, 01:55 PM
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According to Wizardofodds.com blackjack calculator the edge is about .55% with perfect play.

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If this is correct than Party manipulates the game to gain an extra 4% edge?
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Old 12-15-2005, 02:04 PM
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Default Re: Party blackjack is attracting some sick gamblers

Not to be a broken record...but BJ on the Party site still ticks me off -- and this information only makes it worse.

All the pushback about how online poker is different (i.e. game of skill, etc.) and should therefore be de-emphasized in governmental scrutiny of online gambling is going for naught.

The integration of gambling games where the house has an "interest" in the player losing with poker is not helpful at all for poker long-term.

Of course, it IS tremendously helpful for Party Poker short term. And given the bad press that resulted from the inevitable "we can't meet the absurd growth expectations we'd hinted at prior to our IPO" they need the revenue.
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Old 12-16-2005, 01:18 AM
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Not to be a broken record...but BJ on the Party site still ticks me off -- and this information only makes it worse.

All the pushback about how online poker is different (i.e. game of skill, etc.) and should therefore be de-emphasized in governmental scrutiny of online gambling is going for naught.

The integration of gambling games where the house has an "interest" in the player losing with poker is not helpful at all for poker long-term.

Of course, it IS tremendously helpful for Party Poker short term. And given the bad press that resulted from the inevitable "we can't meet the absurd growth expectations we'd hinted at prior to our IPO" they need the revenue.

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Yep it should tick you off but not because of poker public relations. Party is taking money out of your pocket by enticing gamblers to wager on unbeatable blackjack and sucker flop bets.
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Old 12-16-2005, 03:41 PM
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Not to be a broken record...but BJ on the Party site still ticks me off -- and this information only makes it worse.

All the pushback about how online poker is different (i.e. game of skill, etc.) and should therefore be de-emphasized in governmental scrutiny of online gambling is going for naught.

The integration of gambling games where the house has an "interest" in the player losing with poker is not helpful at all for poker long-term.

Of course, it IS tremendously helpful for Party Poker short term. And given the bad press that resulted from the inevitable "we can't meet the absurd growth expectations we'd hinted at prior to our IPO" they need the revenue.

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Yep it should tick you off but not because of poker public relations. Party is taking money out of your pocket by enticing gamblers to wager on unbeatable blackjack and sucker flop bets.

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I think both of your points are right on -- I'm ticked at both.
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Old 12-15-2005, 02:13 PM
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Default Re: Party blackjack is attracting some sick gamblers

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According to Wizardofodds.com blackjack calculator the edge is about .55% with perfect play.

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If this is correct than Party manipulates the game to gain an extra 4% edge?

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What the hell are you talking about?
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Old 12-15-2005, 02:24 PM
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Default Re: Party blackjack is attracting some sick gamblers

Bpb,

Since you have shown such intelligence and class, I will dignify your question with a response.

When you play blackjack, do you normally have a 45% edge?

With nothing but respect,

Caldarooni
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Old 12-15-2005, 02:41 PM
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Bpb,

Since you have shown such intelligence and class, I will dignify your question with a response.

When you play blackjack, do you normally have a 45% edge?

With nothing but respect,

Caldarooni

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When people refer to a casino game as having an edge of x%, the are almost always refering to the house edge. Party's blackjack has a house edge of around .55%. So there's an expected loss of $5.50 per $1000 wagered. That of course assumes perfect basic strategy. Your average player is probably averaging closer to 1% house edge.

If you don't understand a statistic that someone has posted, ask for a clarification. It's a pet peeve of mine when people start pulling out the "it's rigged" stick with no justification.
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