Stars $650.00 Hand for Analysis

[Prime Time]

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preflop seems like a no brainer...maybe reraise the initial guy with a read, but with no reads a flat call is fine.

What are you trying to accomplish with the flop raise?


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Make a big fat pot that I could lose. What else?

[Toro]

JJ & QQ are the two toughest hands to play with JJ obviously being the tougher of the two. I remember laying down JJ post flop in a very similar situation and the guy flashed me AK before throwing into the muck. I was pretty sick about it.

[Toro]

Okay Pete, how did it all turn out?

[billyjex]

Maybe I'm being influenced by how the hand turned out but --

does anyone think reraising PF would have saved PT alot of trouble here? By popping it again to 400, if the BB again comes over the top of two PF raisers we can probably lay it down PF. I also like reraising here because of our position and ability to control the hand postflop.

[Prime Time]

I do this probably 60-40 here. (raising that is)

[tdizzle]

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Maybe I'm being influenced by how the hand turned out but --

does anyone think reraising PF would have saved PT alot of trouble here? By popping it again to 400, if the BB again comes over the top of two PF raisers we can probably lay it down PF. I also like reraising here because of our position and ability to control the hand postflop.

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I agree Billy. I'm unsure whether or not the BB is undervaluing our hand at this point or he really has a big hand. By re-raising preflop we define our hand, take the lead in the betting, and whatever actions the BB takes from there will give us a whole lot more information about his hand.

[Lurshy]

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does anyone think reraising PF would have saved PT alot of trouble here? By popping it again to 400, ...

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I'm with you, from my earlier post:

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PF in position, I reraise to the 400 with JJ.

I know most people don't consider JJ a reraising hand, but with only one open raiser in before you it is more of an isolation / future control bet. There is little chance of the blinds coming along (with two raisers in front of them) or repopping it unless they have true strength.


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[Prime Time]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) converter

CO (t3825)
PGA71 (t3680)
SB (t2200)
BB (t3005)
UTG (t4912)
UTG+1 (t3900)
MP1 (t1270)
MP2 (t8088)
MP3 (t2360)

Preflop: PGA71 is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t150</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, PGA71 calls t150, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t400</font>, MP2 folds, PGA71 calls t250.

Flop: (t975) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t600</font>, <font color="#CC3333">PGA71 raises to t1450</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t2605</font>, PGA71 calls t1155.

Turn: (t6185) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t6185) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t6185

Vilain Took it down w/ QQ [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I am just not a believer.

[Jason Strasser]

Ok.

Preflop I think is very standard. Repopping it is bad for a number of reasons generally. If your opponent is going to reraise you here with AA KK or even QQ or AK, then you are much better off flat calling. You lose the chance to bust a pair higher than yours by flopping a set. You really dont want to make a huge pot with JJ out of position, because you'll find yourself in situations very difficult to control. And also, sometimes (because many will reraise here with JJ) flat calling gains some deception which can be useful postflop.

On the flop, your raise is rather pointless. The person to act behind you is rarely going to bluff after someone leads and another person calls, so if you choose to say in the hand, I'd think your best option is to flat call the flop. Plus, contrary to some of the advice in this thread, it really isnt a good play generally to stick more than 1/3 of your stack in the pot and then fold to further aggression. Raising here with the plan of folding to a reraise is much inferior to calling in this spot. Most of the time the guy behind you will just fold. I really dont get the raise... If the person who led the flop was bluffing then he's likely drawing to 2-6 outs and you dont loose a lot by calling, and if he has a real hand very rarely will he put in a lot of money when you are the favorite.

So yeah, i'd call and call both actions here.

-jason

[Toro]

jason, maybe it doesnt change your analysis but you read it wrong. Pete was the button.