Yet another Poll: Blinds

[uuDevil]

With just 24 data points, variance seems to be larger in the BB. This makes sense since we get to play more loosely than in the SB.

Here are values I calculated for all positions from the Pokerroom EV stats (10 seated, units are big bets/hand):

SB -.160
BB -.223
UTG -.035
UTG+1 .000
UTG+2 .010
MP1 .012
MP2 .019
MP3 .021
CO .032
BTN .035

The average player, losing about 3 BB/100 hands overall, is actually losing money only in the blinds and UTG. As you'd expect, winnings increase as position improves.

[uuDevil]

Probably last bump. Thanks to everyone who took the trouble.

This may not be news, but here are some general thoughts:

Nearly half of the hands we play are out of the blinds, so a large portion of our overall results is determined by our results in these positions.

The variance in the blinds is relatively high because we play these hands relatively loosely, passively, and with the least amount of information.

For these reasons, if a good player has a long bad (or good) streak, much of it is likely to be due to how lucky or unlucky he has been in the blinds.

[Catt]

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Nearly half of the hands we play are out of the blinds, so a large portion of our overall results is determined by our results in these positions.

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Hunh? I play ~20% - 25% of my hands from the blinds. Is this meant to be a 6-max poll? Should be in HUSH if so.

Mine at ring games are:

BB (0.23)
SB (0.14)

EDIT: Fixed messed-up quote. Changed "full-handed" to "ring" since my stats certainly include play on 9 or 8 handed tables.

[OrianasDaad]

Interesting post, and mabye it can be developed to become one indicator of whether a player is running good or bad.

I've got a loss of .16BB per hand in both the BB and SB in my party database, where I have been achieving a rather mediocre win rate of a little over 2BB/HR. I only say mediocre because with similar games at a lower limit, and 4x the sample size (25,000 hands) I was acheiving over 6BB/hr. Looking at the blind stats there show that I did considerably better. -.12 in the BB, and -.06 in the small blind.

As far as playing half of my hands from the blinds it's not there for me, but I have been playing a bit tighter than recommended. My Saw Flop All Hands is 23.58%, and my Saw Flop Not a Blind is 15.81%. My Saw Flop From the Blinds would be 7.77%, right about 1/3rd of the hands I play.

When I say "play", I mean "see the flop with", not "dealt cards".

Even so, 1/3rd of all hands that I see the flop with is from a blind is a bit staggering. I had never considered this before, although it is a bit obvious.

Very interesting.

[Catt]

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When I say "play", I mean "see the flop with", not "dealt cards".

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Ahh - I almost certainly misunderstood the OP. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

[uuDevil]

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....mabye it can be developed to become one indicator of whether a player is running good or bad.

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Well, this is why I wanted to look at it, 'cause either the blinds are killing me (they are) or I suck real bad (ok, this could be true anyway....).

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As far as playing half of my hands from the blinds it's not there for me, but I have been playing a bit tighter than recommended.

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I was guesstimating. I didn't look at actual numbers for this. If you go by SSH recommendations, in UNRAISED pots, more than half the hands you SF with would be in the blinds. If you go by MM's play 15% of your hands outside the blinds rule, SF ~30% of your SB's and ~60% of your BB's, that would be about 43%. However, looking at my actual numbers at $1/2, it's only about 33%.

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My Saw Flop All Hands is 23.58%, and my Saw Flop Not a Blind is 15.81%. My Saw Flop From the Blinds would be 7.77%, right about 1/3rd of the hands I play.


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Your numbers are very close to mine.

BTW, I'm a pretty sloppy calculator, even when I try. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
So it wouldn't hurt if someone checks my work.

[shadow29]

I'm at -.12 for the SB and -.09 for the BB.

I rock.

[NoChance]

only 7K hands since I started playing $3-6.

SB -0.15
BB -0.20

Also, the results for a $3-6 structure will be different than say $2-4.

[DeadManJay]

BB (-0.27)
SB (+0.06)?? 30 VPIP here

[elitegimp]

I suck!

BB: -0.16
SB: -0.31

My VP$IP from SB was low (23ish), so I started adding hands to the list (Axo, more suited hands), and it has definitely not paid off. (I'm now at 26ish for the VP$IP)