California Prop 73 - abortion fanatics vs. god freaks

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When the Jehovah Witnesses want to deny their child a blood transfusion and cause the child to die, we should defend their right to deny medical care to their children.

Likewise, when a religious wackos wants to use prayer to "cure" their child of an easily treatable fatal cancer, who are we to question the parents medical decision?

I think this would help solve the problem of people knocking on my door wanting to know if I have been saved.

[etgryphon]

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If a teenager were pregant and wanted to carry the child to birth, should the parent be allowed to force their daughter to have an abortion? In other words, should a doctor be allowed to perform the birth without the parent's consent?

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Natural birth is not technically a medical procedure. The epideral and episiotomy are the medical procedures. But this is splitting hairs at this point.

I don't think you can make an argument the other direction.

-Gryph

[natedogg]

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When the Jehovah Witnesses want to deny their child a blood transfusion and cause the child to die, we should defend their right to deny medical care to their children.

Likewise, when a religious wackos wants to use prayer to "cure" their child of an easily treatable fatal cancer, who are we to question the parents medical decision?

I think this would help solve the problem of people knocking on my door wanting to know if I have been saved.

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Actually, that *is* the case. Some states try to overrule the parents. There is a recent case in Utah where they tried to force the parents to put their child through chemo. The parents disagreed with the prognosis and the treatment and fled the state with their child. The child is fine now.

Before you start railing on the parents for being non-experts, remember that the state social worker was also a non-expert. Yet he/she felt no qualms using the power of the state to strong arm the parents into a medical treatment for their child that they believed to be dangerous.

There is NO possible defense of this use of state power.

Yes, a parent should have full decision making power over their child's medical care and *gasp* that includes making decision you may find objectionable. That part of being in a free country. Of course the flipside is that YOU get to make decisions others may find objectionable. Funny how that works. The minute you decide it's ok to intervene with the state, well .. it's ok now for the state to intervene with you.

To those who think nothing of stepping in to overrule parents, jhust wait for the next proposition or social worker that targets YOUR practices and decisions about your child because they are objectionable to someone.

natedogg

[lehighguy]

I don't know how all the laws work, but I suppose the following two options.

1) The parents are requiered to provide the essentials to the kid until he is 18, and thus control the child until 18. As previously stated abortion is not an "essential", it is an optional medical procedure.

2) If the above is not enforced on 16-17 year olds (they are allowed to drop out after all I believe) then they should be able to do whatever they want so long as they are head of thier own household. If you are paying your own rent, buying your own food, then getting your own medical care is part of the package. That is different from someone who is living with thier parents and eating thier food and then uses thier part-time job money to get an abortion.

[PoBoy321]

At what point do you draw the line between "parental discretion" and child abuse? Are you arguing that if I, as a parent, decide that the best way for my son to get over a cold is to chaing him to a pipe in the basement and shove bamboo chutes under his fingernail, I should have the right to do that?

[lehighguy]

We have laws about what is abuse and what isn't. They are fairly clear, and they give the parents a lot of leeway. There is a reason for it.

[ChipWrecked]

Looks like 73 is going down, though it's close.

Unfuckingbelieveable. I do not understand the people in this state; I truly don't.