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12-14-2005, 11:26 PM
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Overpair vs mucho turn AG.
.5/1 Full Ring (Pokerroom)
This is Villian's 1st hand at the table. I have no PA stats on him so I don't know shiznit. Hero has A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in EP. PRE - 1 fold, Hero raises, folds to Villian in BB who calls FLOP - 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls TURN - Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps RIVER - J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] BB bets, Hero calls. I don't know WTF on the turn. What kind of hands would you expect to see here at SD? Was the turn 3-bet ok? Will someone play a draw on the turn like this? The river card is kinda nasty. Any one play this one differently? 
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#2
12-14-2005, 11:35 PM
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Re: Overpair vs mucho turn AG.
Don't really dig the 3-bet. An unknown can usually beat a pair when he does this vs. an EP raiser.
I just played a hand where I 3-bet a turn C/R with AQ on a Q349 board on the turn, but that was against a TAG who thought I was stealing from the button, ya know? I don't see how the river really changes anything in your hand.
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12-14-2005, 11:51 PM
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Re: Overpair vs mucho turn AG.
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[ QUOTE ] I don't see how the river really changes anything in your hand. [/ QUOTE ] It doesn't, I'm just being results oriented. [/ QUOTE ] It most definitely does change things. When c/r on the the turn I put him on 4 types of hands. 1. TPGK 2. Pair +flush 3. Two pair 4. Straight/flush combo I 3bet because I'm ahead of 3/4. When I'm capped, I think 3 is more likely but have 5 outs even against that. On the river, I only beat AQ and KQ. Even QJ just jumped in front. The river is a fold, but like I said, I doubt I'm good enought to make it.
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#5
12-15-2005, 12:06 AM
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Re: Overpair vs mucho turn AG.
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The river is a fold, but like I said, I doubt I'm good enought to make it. [/ QUOTE ] The river is a fold with a read on a player that you can narrow down to the range you posted. Without that read, I think folding is not as good. That's why I don't 3-bet the turn. I rarely have this problem anymore because I rarely play against unknowns, but I'm not 3-betting an unknown.
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#7
12-15-2005, 12:34 AM
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Re: Overpair vs mucho turn AG.
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It most definitely does change things. When c/r on the the turn I put him on 4 types of hands. 1. TPGK 2. Pair +flush 3. Two pair 4. Straight/flush combo I 3bet because I'm ahead of 3/4. When I'm capped, I think 3 is more likely but have 5 outs even against that. On the river, I only beat AQ and KQ. Even QJ just jumped in front. The river is a fold, but like I said, I doubt I'm good enought to make it. [/ QUOTE ] The collective chances of two pair + set + bluff + TP are SO much more likely than any drawing hands or made/draw combos. There is absolutely no chance that he's playing a straight or flush draw often enough to tip the river from a call to a fold. None.
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#8
12-15-2005, 02:03 AM
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Re: Overpair vs mucho turn AG.
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The collective chances of two pair + set + bluff + TP are SO much more likely than any drawing hands or made/draw combos. There is absolutely no chance that he's playing a straight or flush draw often enough to tip the river from a call to a fold. None. [/ QUOTE ] I tried very hard but still have no idea what you are trying to say here. Let me just say this: If you think you have the best hand less than 30% after the turn c/r(which it seems you do), you should fold. You are only getting 7:2 on a call down.
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#10
12-14-2005, 11:37 PM
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Re: Overpair vs mucho turn AG.
I think readless I get to showdown cheaply after being checkraised on the turn. The problem with being 3-bet is after you get capped on the turn, I want to fold the river, but against an unknown that isn't fun.
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