DERB - Page 8

Dave Mac · #1 11-03-2005, 01:13 PM

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We should all raise $500 and get erik123/Abdul Jalib or someone of that level to analyse a few 100 hands of his so we can put an end to this 'higher level thinking'.

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ill contribute.

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sweetjazz · #2 11-03-2005, 04:47 AM

Maybe I don't understand high limit poker, but I see plays that look very questionable to me.

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DERB CO

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (7 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP2 calls, CO raises, Button calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 checks, CO bets, Button calls, MP2 folds.

Turn: (4.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets, Button raises, CO 3-bets, Button calls.

River: (10.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Button bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB

Results in white below: 
CO has 9c Ah (one pair, threes).
Button has Qs Kh (two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: Button wins 12.75 BB. 

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How is this a good river call? Unless he has a specific read on the button, this call looks real bad.

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DERB villain

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (3.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 5.25 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has As 6s (one pair, kings).
Hero has Qs Td (two pair, kings and tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 5.25 BB. 

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Again, what hand does he beat here? This pot is very small and the best he can hope for it seems is chopping with Axo.

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DERB button

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises, 2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, CO bets, Button raises, MP1 folds, CO calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Button bets, CO calls.

River: (7.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

everyone checks.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

Results in white below: 
CO has Jc Ad (high card, ace).
Button has 8s Ks (one pair, eights).
Outcome: Button wins 7.75 BB. 

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Bleh. The flop is pretty close to a fold. Given that he continues on, his line is best, but it's not like there's any reason to believe he's found a way to make CCing K8s on the button a profitable move.

James282 · #3 11-03-2005, 05:01 AM

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Maybe I don't understand high limit poker, but I see plays that look very questionable to me.

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DERB CO

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (7 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP2 calls, CO raises, Button calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 checks, CO bets, Button calls, MP2 folds.

Turn: (4.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets, Button raises, CO 3-bets, Button calls.

River: (10.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Button bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB

Results in white below: 
CO has 9c Ah (one pair, threes).
Button has Qs Kh (two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: Button wins 12.75 BB. 

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How is this a good river call? Unless he has a specific read on the button, this call looks real bad.

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DERB villain

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (3.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 5.25 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has As 6s (one pair, kings).
Hero has Qs Td (two pair, kings and tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 5.25 BB. 

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Again, what hand does he beat here? This pot is very small and the best he can hope for it seems is chopping with Axo.

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DERB button

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises, 2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, CO bets, Button raises, MP1 folds, CO calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Button bets, CO calls.

River: (7.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

everyone checks.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

Results in white below: 
CO has Jc Ad (high card, ace).
Button has 8s Ks (one pair, eights).
Outcome: Button wins 7.75 BB. 

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Bleh. The flop is pretty close to a fold. Given that he continues on, his line is best, but it's not like there's any reason to believe he's found a way to make CCing K8s on the button a profitable move.

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Right, because his play in hand 1 especially shows he has absolutely no understanding of certain very basic concepts. This makes it impossible for him to a winner of the proportions that people make him out to be.
-James

Enon · #4 11-03-2005, 05:51 AM

Right, because his play in hand 1 especially shows he has absolutely no understanding of certain very basic concepts. This makes it impossible for him to a winner of the proportions that people make him out to be.
-James

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100/200 Party (convertor isn't working for me so i'm retyping from hh)

Fish open raises UTG, Derb gets tricky and cold calls on the button with KK, SB makes it 3 bets, BB cold calls, UTG calls and Derb decides to continue the charade and CALLS

World class.

Victor · #5 11-03-2005, 05:57 AM

look, he is better than you and has a higher understanding of poker than you. by your tone i see you could never make this play and its clear taht you lack of understanding is hindering your earn substantially.

i would assum that derb raked in a gigantic pot here and made many extra bets bc he didnt give his hand away too early as us tight predictable 2ers always do.

btw, txredman, derb proves that your play with aa is correct. [censored] the haters.

Schneids · #6 11-03-2005, 06:23 AM

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Right, because his play in hand 1 especially shows he has absolutely no understanding of certain very basic concepts. This makes it impossible for him to a winner of the proportions that people make him out to be.
-James

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100/200 Party (convertor isn't working for me so i'm retyping from hh)

Fish open raises UTG, Derb gets tricky and cold calls on the button with KK, SB makes it 3 bets, BB cold calls, UTG calls and Derb decides to continue the charade and CALLS

World class.

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Given his relative position with the 3-better (AND the initial PFR) I think his just calling is perfectly fine. He might get to pop the whole field on the flop, or even better, the 3-better bets and the initial raiser tries to isolate with a raise... Now the big pot builds...

tongni · #7 11-03-2005, 07:31 AM

Seems like he plays ok to me. He's extremely aggressive and his hand range is very wide. Sounds like you pretty much have to pay him off a good portion of the time. Add in even fair hand reading skills, no need to be excellent, and I think you have at least a 1 bb/100 winner at 30/60, and maybe even more.

baronzeus · #8 11-03-2005, 06:01 AM

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Right, because his play in hand 1 especially shows he has absolutely no understanding of certain very basic concepts. This makes it impossible for him to a winner of the proportions that people make him out to be.
-James

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i dont get it. havent we datamined like 8 trillion hands from derb and he is winning like 3BB/100? there's something to be learned. obviously he makes mistakes, but he makes up for them and then some.

Enon · #9 11-02-2005, 11:01 PM

UTG+2 - Derb

Party Poker 100.00/200.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop:
1 folds, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 3-bets, 7 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 calls.

River: (7.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 raises, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB.
Results in white below:
UTG+2 has As Ah (a pair of aces.)
UTG+1 has Kd Kc (a pair of kings.)

UTG+2 wins 11.73 BB.


MP2 - Derb

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Preflop:
UTG raises, 3 folds, MP2 3-bets, 5 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, MP2 raises, UTG 3-bets, MP2 caps, UTG calls.

River: (11.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB.
Results in white below:
UTG has Td Kd (two pairs, kings and tens.)
MP2 has 6c 6h (three of a kind, sixes.)
MP2 wins 11.73 BB.


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MP3 - Derb, BB Ramabird
Preflop:
4 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 raises, 3 folds, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, MP2 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, MP3 calls.

River: (6.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, MP3 raises, BB calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB.
Results in white below:
MP3 has Jd Jh (two pairs, jacks and nines.)
BB has 6h 7h (two pairs, nines and sixes.)
MP3 wins 10.23 BB.


BB - Derb

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Preflop:
1 folds, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 calls, 6 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 calls, BB raises, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, UTG+2 calls.

River: (7.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB.
Results in white below:
BB has 3c 4d (a pair of threes.)
UTG+2 has Ad 9s (high card ace.)
BB wins 9.72 BB.


Button - Derb

Party Poker 100.00/200.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop:
1 folds, MP1 raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets, Button calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets, Button raises, MP1 calls.

River: (8.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Button bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB.
Results in white below:
Button has Ks Qh (a straight, ten to ace.)
MP1 has Ad Kc (two pairs, aces and kings.)
Button wins 10.23 BB.

DcifrThs · #10 11-03-2005, 12:11 AM

great selections.

derb seems to follow your account status [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

seriously though, he likes to check and slowplay to induce action it seems. and he balances that with turn raises and river plays that seem nonsensical in isolation but are beginning to make sense.

Barron