NL 400--AA raised on flop, whats the standard line?

[DonButtons]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

UTG ($441.98)
Hero ($465.3)
CO ($440.3)
Button ($380.36)
SB ($206)
BB ($1124.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $15</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $11.

Flop: ($32) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $60</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $165</font>.

Final Pot: $257

Just sat down in the table, so no reads. Im mostly a sng player, and trying to mix in some nl 400 on the side and have to adjust so Im trying to post some hands.

Is this raise good, or raise more?
If he reraises, do I fold?

And if he calls, whats my plan on the turn?

Thanks a lot

[edge]

I usually call and checkraise the turn, since this is a very safe board. Reraising is cool too, but I think I would make it about 180 or 200. If I was playing this hand, I'd just assume I was ahead and try to get the money in on the flop or turn, unless the turn was a K. If he has a set, I get stacked. Pretty simple.

[ggbman]

I would smooth call and CR all in on the turn. Your ahead most of the time here and sometimes behind a set. However, with your line, you don't paid off by KJ and KQ, and by getting it in on the turn, you do.

Gabe

[Niwa]

I would just call the flopraise since the raise can be all the way from xK to a set.
By doing the big re-raise on the flop you can get away from your aces if raised but you're letting ALL the weaker hands get away.

I would just call his raise and depending on what he does either bet or raise. If he re-raises I would automuck.

I dont see any hand worse than yours paying you off when all-in except for way overplayed AK.

Without reads I really cant see why you have to go broke against a set here.

[fuzzbox]

I like a call here rather than a reraise. The board is pretty drawless, so you are way ahead or way behind. Reraising lets him get away from this KJ type hands, and lets you die on the sword of a set.

Flat call - in position and plan to call him down.

[EverettKings]

It's pretty freaking unlikely to be against a set here. If he called a 4 BB raise out of position heads up with 88 or 33 (unlikely in the first place), then he would be likely to lead it out to get paid off instead of this silly minicheckraise stuff.

So you can be pretty sure you're ahead. Like others said the board is quite safe so I'd prefer to flat call the flop planning to raise the turn (or bet strong if he checks). You're in position so you can't checkraise (either you changed the post or people misread it).

If the turn is a blank and he bets strong for you, say $90, then there's some merit in just calling there too and planning to jam the rest on the river. If the turn is, say, the 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and he leads out 50 or something I'd stick to plan A.

Kings

[pilamsolo]

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If he called a 4 BB raise out of position heads up with 88 or 33 (unlikely in the first place)

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Why is this unlikely? $11 to call with $400+ stacks? If I am villain I call with 88 or 33 here every time.

-Solo

[mgsimpleton]

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If he called a 4 BB raise out of position heads up with 88 or 33 (unlikely in the first place), then he would be likely to lead it out to get paid off instead of this silly minicheckraise stuff.

So you can be pretty sure you're ahead.

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why does everyone always say that a set will lead out??? i rarely see people actually leading with a set... just because people on this forum advocate it doesn't mean people actually do it. I actually see this line with a set quite often.

That being said, there is absolutely no reason to reraise here. You lose a little less if you're planning to fold if he goes all in, but if he has a set, he might just smooth call and then get it all in later and you lose your stack anyway. Or are you really going to fold for the little bit you have left? If he has a K, you're letting him get away. Smooth call and raise all in on the turn or just call down... calling down wins the most when ahead but gives him a cheap river, raising the turn protects you rhand against his two pair or trips on the river... so it's up to you which you want to do.

[DonButtons]

Thanks for all your responses, like I said, Im trying out NL 400 and adjusting from 8 tabling sngs where I usually reraise here, he eventually folded.

So it seems if he has a set my line sucks, and if he doesnt have one my line sucks lol. I got it. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[iceman5]

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If he called a 4 BB raise out of position heads up with 88 or 33 (unlikely in the first place), then he would be likely to lead it out to get paid off instead of this silly minicheckraise stuff.

So you can be pretty sure you're ahead.

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why does everyone always say that a set will lead out??? i rarely see people actually leading with a set... just because people on this forum advocate it doesn't mean people actually do it. I actually see this line with a set quite often.

That being said, there is absolutely no reason to reraise here. You lose a little less if you're planning to fold if he goes all in, but if he has a set, he might just smooth call and then get it all in later and you lose your stack anyway. Or are you really going to fold for the little bit you have left? If he has a K, you're letting him get away. Smooth call and raise all in on the turn or just call down... calling down wins the most when ahead but gives him a cheap river, raising the turn protects you rhand against his two pair or trips on the river... so it's up to you which you want to do.

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In my experience, a min check raise in a raised pot is a set WAY more than 50% of the time. Probably 75% or more.