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10-28-2005, 01:35 AM
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Re: clangs
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Raising the turn is not really believable. We checked the flop and now the 4 comes off. That couldn't have helped our hand. Villian may call and lead a blank river, thinking we have overcards/a busted bdflush. Also, villian may have a made hand. Raising the turn commits us to 2 bets. If villian calls the turn raise, we have to guess whether or not he was on a draw. We may fire another bet at the river, only to find out he had a made hand. However, if we call the turn bet, and villian leads the river, we can fold, and our play costs 1 bet. If he checks, we can now steal this pot at a greater success rate than the turn raise. This is especially true if a high card comes off on the river. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks. Nice explanation. 
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#42
10-28-2005, 02:13 AM
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it's as if some people responding to tommy's posts have spent zero time sitting at a poker table and studying how a game can flow, and all their time in some realm where poker rules and strategies exist, but the game is never actually played against thinking opponents. it's a lot harder for a bluff to work when it sticks out like a sore thumb. [/ QUOTE ] yup. its called online poker.
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#43
10-28-2005, 02:14 AM
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im with you on this one tommy. couple weeks ago. i have 64o in the bb mirage 20-40 short handed new game. sb doesnt chop. folded to him he raises, i call. the flop is KQ3, he bets, i call. the turn is a Q. he checks, i bet, he folds. [/ QUOTE ] i use this line all the time online.
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#45
10-28-2005, 03:01 AM
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This is the kind of hand that never makes sense online, but I've done this live too. You just know that when the guy bets the turn he has absolutely nothing. [/ QUOTE ] I've done this online with a fair amt of success, but I play tighter than aggro bet-monkeys like you, polka.
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#46
10-28-2005, 03:37 AM
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Re: clangs
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[ QUOTE ] For a post called clang there doesn't seem to be a lot of thrust and parry going on, or even swings. Seems more like a duel where you each take your turn firing your 1 shot. [/ QUOTE ] Checks can be thrusts. Checks can be parries. [/ QUOTE ] I love this.
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#48
10-28-2005, 04:03 AM
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Re: clangs
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'm not sure if I understand; why not ditch it preflop? [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] No way. Not in a 5-handed game with an UTG limper and a likely tight/solid image. This hand can be played profitably here. [/ QUOTE ] this isnt looking good for you bob... [/ QUOTE ] it never is
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#49
10-28-2005, 05:11 AM
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Re: clangs
All I can say is that this is the perfect flop, with the perfect turn card and the perfect river card against the perfect line up with the perfect position for this to perfectly happen.
Nice read Tommy. I'm figuring that your Spidey sense told you that he had a draw based on how sluggish he bet the turn which could have indicated weakness. Tommy, what do you do if you he bets on the river when a. An ace comes b. your pair comes (either T or 8) c. A queen or 4 comes Thanks Lawrence
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