AK for TPTK on 4flush board...

Akimka · #1 08-01-2005, 07:38 PM

Any place for value bet on river? Any other way to play it?

MP3 is VPIP 45, PFR 6, postflop 0.5 (110 hands)
BB is LP-P (classic)

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2.
2 folds, MP1 raises, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, MP1 caps, MP3 calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (17.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (10.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, BB folds, MP3 calls.

River: (12.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

gh9801 · #2 08-01-2005, 08:09 PM

Seems like villain either has a weak heart or no heart at all, bet river

roundhouse · #3 08-01-2005, 08:36 PM

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Seems like villain either has a weak heart or no heart at all, bet river

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If he has a heart, he calls and you lose one BB. If he has no heart he folds and you gain zero BB. If this be so then river bet = -EV.

Put it another way, I think you're going to lose >50% of the time your river bet is called here.

RH

mmmmmbrother · #4 08-01-2005, 08:36 PM

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Seems like villain either has a weak heart or no heart at all, bet river

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when you bet on the river is the passive villan folding his heart? because i know he isnt calling with one or two lower pairs

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gh9801 · #5 08-01-2005, 08:46 PM

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Seems like villain either has a weak heart or no heart at all, bet river

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If he has a heart, he calls and you lose one BB. If he has no heart he folds and you gain zero BB. If this be so then river bet = -EV.

Put it another way, I think you're going to lose >50% of the time your river bet is called here.

RH

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I've played lots of hands when it is 4suited on the board, where I don't have the flush but a hand like top two or a set, where the villain calls a bet with top pair, no flush on the river. On the other hand, any flush calls too. So maybe this bet is -ev, but I'm not completely convinced that it isn't +EV

mmmmmbrother · #6 08-01-2005, 08:55 PM

i can see this happening if its checked through the turn and hero bets on the river, but when someones betting the whole way on a four flush villan is either auto check/calling because he wants to see if his low heart is good or drawing to who knows what. either way i dont see villan calling you with hands you beat enough to make this +ev

roundhouse · #7 08-01-2005, 08:55 PM

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Seems like villain either has a weak heart or no heart at all, bet river

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If he has a heart, he calls and you lose one BB. If he has no heart he folds and you gain zero BB. If this be so then river bet = -EV.

Put it another way, I think you're going to lose >50% of the time your river bet is called here.

RH

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I've played lots of hands when it is 4suited on the board, where I don't have the flush but a hand like top two or a set, where the villain calls a bet with top pair, no flush on the river. On the other hand, any flush calls too. So maybe this bet is -ev, but I'm not completely convinced that it isn't +EV

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Yeah, I seen a few of them too. But do you think that's happening >50% of the time in this situ? I just think villian has a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] too often.

RH

mmmmmbrother · #8 08-01-2005, 09:16 PM

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Seems like villain either has a weak heart or no heart at all, bet river

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If he has a heart, he calls and you lose one BB. If he has no heart he folds and you gain zero BB. If this be so then river bet = -EV.

Put it another way, I think you're going to lose >50% of the time your river bet is called here.

RH

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I've played lots of hands when it is 4suited on the board, where I don't have the flush but a hand like top two or a set, where the villain calls a bet with top pair, no flush on the river. On the other hand, any flush calls too. So maybe this bet is -ev, but I'm not completely convinced that it isn't +EV

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Yeah, I seen a few of them too. But do you think that's happening >50% of the time in this situ? I just think villian has a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] too often.

RH

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