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Old 04-26-2005, 04:23 PM
swolfe swolfe is offline
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Default Re: preflop question

if you hit your set, you don't need to take his whole stack (although that's always the goal). you just need to make about $140 more from him to make having called preflop +EV. lead into him with a 3/4 pot bet, he'll raise his AA. call, check-raise the turn. easy as pie.
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Old 04-26-2005, 04:24 PM
Jacob_Gilliam Jacob_Gilliam is offline
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What, he only raises with AA-QQ? I cant believe that.
If you knew for a certanty thats what hes raising with and he wont pay you off if you flop a set fold both hands.
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Old 04-26-2005, 04:36 PM
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you're going to lose a lot of money by reraising JJ out of position against a tight raiser.

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I agree with this sentence. For 5% of your stack, you should call with JJ. Heck, I would call with 22, but even if you don't, you should call with JJ.

With your read of tight, good, but a little too passive, then he still should be raising from the cutoff with AA-TT, AK-AT, KQ, AKs-A9s, KQs-JTs. (I firmly believe that you raise more in the cutoff than any other seat, including the button.) JJ is ahead of a lot of those hands preflop, will sometimes be an overpair on the flop, and can get away from bad flops easily. The 22 is only a smidge ahead of a few of the hands, not strongly ahead of any of them; it is never an overpair, and almost all flops are bad flops.

Also, there is a critical difference in implied odds between JJ and 22: If you do catch a set, the opponent's likely hands are more likely to catch a piece of the flop, or at least a decent draw, enticing him to play on. Consider KJ5 flop vs. K25. With any two broadway cards, he will probably at least call your first bet with any of his likely holdings on the KJx flop. If you held 22 and flopped K25, then he would only play on with AK, KK, or KQ and would immediately dump AQ, AJ, AT, etc. This is why the JJ has better implied odds (against a tight preflop raiser) than the 22.
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Old 04-26-2005, 04:58 PM
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Default Re: preflop question

If he knew he woulndt be payed off he should call with any two.
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Old 04-26-2005, 05:25 PM
Jacob_Gilliam Jacob_Gilliam is offline
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Well put
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Old 04-26-2005, 06:08 PM
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what do you mean bad advice. its called finding out where you are at if you think your hand may be best. its way to susseptable to call a raise with, and to the person talking about spiking a set on the flop that only happens one in 8 times so you are gonna put 160$ in before you spike one and you might not get paid off for it, sorry you dont flat call raise or fold
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Old 04-26-2005, 06:10 PM
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of course if you put him on aa-qq the automatically fold but if you are not sure which its pretty damn hard to read someones hand exactly online then y not raise and find out where you are at, you may be in the lead by alot
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Old 04-26-2005, 06:15 PM
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very true. what you people are not understanding here is that he doesnt have a clear read on the player, does he only raise with aa kk and qq or could he have a10s here and muck it to a big raise, find out where you are at preflop so you can understand how to bet it if you see a flop, call a raise and a queen comes on the flop and he bets. guarantee every single person on this site would be lost completely, aj will still bet that and so will ak so are you gonna lay down the best hand post flop. to understand flop texture and betting you have to be able to put him on a definitive hand and you cant do that by observing a single raise. he may be a tight solid player but they are even prone to bluffing from time to time.
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Old 04-26-2005, 06:16 PM
jonnyUCB jonnyUCB is offline
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Default Re: preflop question

then what happens on the flop? u ram and jam any flop oop who you already think might have an overpair?

I would definitely reserve your play for a player we are somewhat familiar with as well as when we have position. reraising is by no means the default play. Hell i'll flatcall QQ in this spot from a good amount of the time and either lead or do a stop and go situation.
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Old 04-26-2005, 06:56 PM
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easy call here

reraising is very bad. youre bloating the pot out of position with a possibly dominated hand against a decent player. if he has AA/KK and repops you'll have to fold and give up the chance to flop a set and win a big pot.
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