I think this is right but scuba disagrees

[kyro]

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good man, gl in miami, sorry to be so harsh.

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please. i've had citanul rip into me before. i even insulted SNCB knowing his cronies would do their damndest to chase me out of town and make my life a living hell. I can handle harsh. Especially on the internet, where I don't have to back up my words with my 150 pound rail for a body.

[elcheapo]

My math was right- just probably different then what you use. I include the final pot

[GtrHtr]

EZ fold. Fishy call.

[45suited]

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713 to win 1826 and scuba needs to push here. This is a nobrainer and yet he berates me for this call.

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Except it's not 713 to win 1826. It's 1113 in the pot, 713 to call. You're kinda calculating winning your 'calling' chips back into the equation. You're getting 1.56:1 here, not 1826:713 as you seem to be implying.

[Pasterbator]

I actually see 713 to win 1113 (you cant count the money you havent put in the middle yet) I don't like the call. While he's probably pushing with a very wide range, K3o is defintiely behind.

ICM says : If he's pushing as many as 75% of hands, its still -EV to call with K3o.

[elcheapo]

what if its 90%

[Pasterbator]

If he is infact pushing 90% of hands, its slighty +EV to make the call. But its still something i will not be doing.

[Pasterbator]

LOOKS LIKE I AM 2 MINUTES TOO LATE.

[ZeroPointMachine]

If you know he is pushing any 2 you should be calling around top 50%.

Of course, if he knows you think he will push any 2 and will call with top 50%, he should only push about the top 30%.

The difference between pushing any 2 and pushing top 30% is the reason you should never let a 2+2er know you are one.

[elcheapo]

thats alot of assumptions for a pretty dire situation and he may not know I'm a 2+2er before this hand