$11's Bubble Leak? (6 hands)

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #1 07-01-2005, 01:36 PM

I think I have a leak in my bubble play... I keep losing... but seriously, I seem to always be pushing in the wrong spots (including over the top of opponents that have bet at pot.) Sometimes I win a hand when pushing over the top, but I think I finish OOTM more often as a result of this. This is probably -EV, what do you think (here are a few hands from my other 5 OOTM loses last night... only posted 6 hands)

I would appreciate your feedback.

Game 1

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Hero (t1275)
UTG (t3260)
MP (t1190)
Button (t875)
SB (t1400)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t300, 3 folds, Hero raises to t1275 (All-In), UTG calls t975.

Flop: (t2625) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t2625) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2625) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2625
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Game 2 - I had not pushed much...

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Hero (t1090)
SB (t2791)
BB (t1307)
UTG (t1337)
MP (t1475)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t1090 (All-In), 1 fold, BB calls t990.

Flop: (t2230) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t2230) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2230) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2230
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Game 3

Hand 1 - villain had done this twice when I had a strong hand

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SB (t1320)
Hero (t700)
UTG (t890)
UTG+1 (t1135)
MP1 (t2285)
MP2 (t855)
CO (t385)
Button (t430)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t150, 5 folds, Hero raises to t700 (All-In), UTG+1 calls t550.

Flop: (t1425) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t1425) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1425) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1425
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Hand 2 - I pushed about 2-3 hands prior from button w/ A9o, but otherwise had not pushed/played a hand in a while

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BB (t1145)
Hero (t1550)
MP (t1355)
Button (t1575)
SB (t2375)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t1550 (All-In), 2 folds, SB calls t1475, 1 fold.

Flop: (t3250) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t3250) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t3250) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t3250
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Game 4

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MP3 (t820)
Hero (t770)
Button (t875)
SB (t770)
BB (t800)
UTG (t610)
UTG+1 (t860)
UTG+2 (t905)
MP1 (t905)
MP2 (t685)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t15, 2 folds, MP3 calls t15, Hero raises to t90, Button raises to t225, 2 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero raises to t770 (All-In), Button calls t545.

Flop: (t1595) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t1595) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1595) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1595
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Game 5

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Hero (t1095)
SB (t3202)
BB (t1850)
UTG (t1853)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t200, Hero raises to t1095 (All-In), 2 folds, UTG calls t895.

Flop: (t2340) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t2340) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2340) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2340

xLukex · #2 07-01-2005, 01:42 PM

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I think I have a leak in my bubble play... I keep losing... but seriously, I seem to always be pushing in the wrong spots (including over the top of opponents that have bet at pot.) Sometimes I win a hand when pushing over the top, but I think I finish OOTM more often as a result of this. This is probably -EV, what do you think (here are a few hands from my other 5 OOTM loses last night... only posted 6 hands)

I would appreciate your feedback.

Game 1

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Hero (t1275)
UTG (t3260)
MP (t1190)
Button (t875)
SB (t1400)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t300, 3 folds, Hero raises to t1275 (All-In), UTG calls t975.

Flop: (t2625) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t2625) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2625) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2625
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Game 2 - I had not pushed much...

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Hero (t1090)
SB (t2791)
BB (t1307)
UTG (t1337)
MP (t1475)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t1090 (All-In), 1 fold, BB calls t990.

Flop: (t2230) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t2230) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2230) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2230
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Game 3

Hand 1 - villain had done this twice when I had a strong hand

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SB (t1320)
Hero (t700)
UTG (t890)
UTG+1 (t1135)
MP1 (t2285)
MP2 (t855)
CO (t385)
Button (t430)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t150, 5 folds, Hero raises to t700 (All-In), UTG+1 calls t550.

Flop: (t1425) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t1425) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1425) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1425
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Hand 2 - I pushed about 2-3 hands prior from button w/ A9o, but otherwise had not pushed/played a hand in a while

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BB (t1145)
Hero (t1550)
MP (t1355)
Button (t1575)
SB (t2375)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t1550 (All-In), 2 folds, SB calls t1475, 1 fold.

Flop: (t3250) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t3250) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t3250) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t3250
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Game 4

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MP3 (t820)
Hero (t770)
Button (t875)
SB (t770)
BB (t800)
UTG (t610)
UTG+1 (t860)
UTG+2 (t905)
MP1 (t905)
MP2 (t685)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t15, 2 folds, MP3 calls t15, Hero raises to t90, Button raises to t225, 2 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero raises to t770 (All-In), Button calls t545.

Flop: (t1595) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t1595) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1595) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1595
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Game 5

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Hero (t1095)
SB (t3202)
BB (t1850)
UTG (t1853)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t200, Hero raises to t1095 (All-In), 2 folds, UTG calls t895.

Flop: (t2340) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t2340) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2340) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2340

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Game 1- Good push.

Game 2- Just raise to 300. If he comes over the top, then you fold and take note.

Game 3 #1- Fine
#2- Raise 3x BB

Game 4- Call preflop raise.

Game 5- Good push.

I just think you're over-aggro in some spots.

And if you say that you push in a lot of spots and just raise in a lot of spots, you're surely giving your hand away sometimes.

Most of those hands look fine, and if you're losing them, you're just on a bad run of cards is all.

45suited · #3 07-01-2005, 01:47 PM

Ugh... AJ, KT, and AT are not re-raise all in hands in general. Way too aggressive in re-raising after opponents have shown aggression.

It's so easy to steal blinds, IMO, you are being WAY too aggressive with all your re-raising with marginal hands.

There's a time and place for this, but you also need to pay more attention to stack sizes and the position of the raiser in these spots. You need to give more credit to an UTG raise than a min-raise from the SB, for example.

xLukex · #4 07-01-2005, 01:49 PM

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Ugh... AJ, KT, and AT are not re-raise all in hands in general. Way too aggressive in re-raising after opponent's have shown aggression.

It's so easy to steal blinds, IMO, you are being WAY too aggressive with all your re-raising with marginal hands.

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Ok, the AJ and KT hands are kinda weak.

45suited · #5 07-01-2005, 01:52 PM

Yes, the only one that I would even consider among the KT, AJ, and AT is the AT hand.

adanthar · #6 07-01-2005, 01:54 PM

I am folding around 5 out of 6 of these. Hint: The sixth one is the one that I would actually consider to be 'a hand' when someone has raised.

The Yugoslavian · #7 07-01-2005, 02:02 PM

1. Generally fold but you can Call/Play nice lookin' flops or Stop n Go depending on villian
2. Fold - marginal push under v best circumstances
3a. Fold - it's level 3 dawg...
3b. Fold - too many ppl to act, you have 10xBB - these are the plays that are making all of the very good STTers *love* the new level 5
4. I don't play AKs like this....if you raise that big level 1 then yeah, going allin is probably ok I guess.
5. Fold - you have over 10xBB again....you are even more desperately aggressive than I am/was with 10xBB [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

Yugoslav

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #8 07-01-2005, 02:06 PM

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I am folding around 5 out of 6 of these. Hint: The sixth one is the one that I would actually consider to be 'a hand' when someone has raised.

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Would you please explain why the AT raise is better than the others, and why are the other wrong... beside the fact that I lost (although I did win with one of the hands)? There are similarities among all of them w/ some difference. i.e. I am UTG w/ 2 hands, 2 bets were min bets by villain...

The Yugoslavian · #9 07-01-2005, 02:07 PM

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I am folding around 5 out of 6 of these. Hint: The sixth one is the one that I would actually consider to be 'a hand' when someone has raised.

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Here I figured you would most likely play the 1st hand...oh well, so much for my Adanthar ESP, [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img].

You really push that last hand? Or just if you feel UTG is being fairly loose? I get that it ranks to be your strongest hand based on context out of the examples...but I'm not sure it's better than folding generally.

Yugoslav

liucipher · #10 07-01-2005, 02:12 PM

I see only one hand that is the bubble.

1.) this is very bad
2.) this is also very bad. 10xBB rule is not in effect. you can easily lead out for 250-300 and take it from there.
3.) I think 90% of people here will advocate a fold. At an $11 I'd probably call and see the flop, but that's a leak.
4.) Why? Why why why?
5.) I'd probably do about the same, depending on how good you are. I think if you're a better player you can walk away and find a better edge. If you're me, you push and hope to double through or lose, because the advantage of having a chip lead early on is big to me.
6.) I think this is a fold as well.