does MUBS strike again? KK hand

cdxx · #1 07-22-2005, 01:05 AM

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, BB folds.

Turn: (5.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

River: (8.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, CO folds, Hero ???.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

the card appeared to improve my hand, but the guy was clearly on a draw. i was thinking of betting, but the idea of folding to a raise was too much, so i decided to save a bet, as i was fairly certain he'd bet into me.

MrWookie47 · #2 07-22-2005, 01:09 AM

If he was on a draw from the flop, it was a backdoor. I bet/call that river.

Kumubou · #3 07-22-2005, 01:10 AM

No, he is betting the river because he has two cards and is going "Bluffer showing weakness lolololol time to steal the pot from such a shitty player." Maybe he has two pair. Maybe he has a pair. Maybe he has a shitty ace was afraid was no g00t until he slowed down.

You really need to bet this river. Yes, you are calling a raise. You can probably fold if it comes back 3-bet, though. So you are calling this bet, and launching cute critters into orbit.

-K

GrunchCan · #4 07-22-2005, 01:13 AM

Not necesarrily -- there are 2 draws that are completed there. Regardless, I bet call too. But if it were HU, I might just check-call becasue I don't think we have 50% of the pot here. Not gonna fold, tho.

cdxx · #5 07-22-2005, 01:18 AM

i was obviously worried about JT, QJ, KJ, or even AJ from a weaker player. not necessarily two hearts...

GrunchCan · #6 07-22-2005, 01:20 AM

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No, he is betting the river because he has two cards and is going "Bluffer showing weakness lolololol time to steal the pot from such a shitty player." Maybe he has two pair. Maybe he has a pair. Maybe he has a shitty ace was afraid was no g00t until he slowed down.

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I pretty much disagree with all of this. Other than a low pair (which I doubt the opponent will bet usually), Hero loses to all of the hands you mention. And I don't see the resona for betting, although I still agree that's the correct action. Why exactly are you betting?

GrunchCan · #7 07-22-2005, 01:22 AM

Right, and I think his range is heavily biased towards Q-something. Maybe even Q9s.

Kumubou · #8 07-22-2005, 01:26 AM

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I pretty much disagree with all of this. Other than a low pair (which I doubt the opponent will bet usually), Hero loses to all of the hands you mention. And I don't see the resona for betting, although I still agree that's the correct action. Why exactly are you betting?

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Are we looking at the same hand? Last time I checked a set of kings beats any pair or two pair. Hero is only behind to AA (wtf), Jx, and two random hearts. I am betting here because there are an assload of worse hands that will call a bet, but may check the river through due to the four-straight.

-K

GrunchCan · #9 07-22-2005, 01:28 AM

Ha, no we were not looking at the same hand. Sorry, my bad.

Ok, going to bed now.

eviljeff · #10 07-22-2005, 01:43 AM

the river is a straight forward check/call