Question about minimum allowed raise

[maddo]

Hi.

Blinds are 25/50.

2 players (Fred and Bob) see the flop.

Fred checks.
Bob bets 150.
Fred wants to raise the minimum. Can he raise to 250 (another 100) because Bob's bet was 100 more than the minimum (50). Or does he have to raise to 300 (double Bob's bet)?


Cheers.

[FouTight]

Minimum bet: Big Blind
Minimum Raise: Size of the largest previous bet

[smoore]

Fred can raise to 250 because the last raise was 100

blind: 50
raise : 100 = 150
next raise : 100 = 250

[Khabbi]

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Fred can raise to 250 because the last raise was 100

blind: 50
raise : 100 = 150
next raise : 100 = 250

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Are you sure about that? My interpretation was that the first bet is a bet, not a raise. In the example, the first bet was 150, so any raise would nee to go to at least 300.

[ky70]

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Fred can raise to 250 because the last raise was 100

blind: 50
raise : 100 = 150
next raise : 100 = 250

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Are you sure about that? My interpretation was that the first bet is a bet, not a raise. In the example, the first bet was 150, so any raise would nee to go to at least 300.

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Smoore is correct because the raise was for $100 (of $150 total bet, $50 calls the big blind and $100 is the raise). The next subsequent raise must be at least equal to the previous raise. Here is the blurb from one of rule handbooks (possibly Robert's Rules):

3. All raises must be equal to or greater than the size of the previous bet or raise on that betting round, except for an all-in wager. A player who has already acted and is not facing a fullsize wager may not subsequently raise an all-in bet that is less than the minimum bet (which is the amount of the minimum bring-in), or less than the full size of the last bet or raise. (The half-the-size rule for reopening the betting is for limit poker only.)

[moose47]

But the action in the example is not pre-flop. There was no 100 raise, there was a bet of 150. So the minimum raise would be 150 more to a total of 300.

[FouTight]

no.

This is after the flop.

It's checked to him, he bets 150, the raise must be to at least 300.

If the blinds are 25/50 and the guy UTG raises to 150, the next guy CAN raise to 250...there is no question about it.

[FouTight]

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If the blinds are 25/50 and the guy UTG raises to 150, the next guy CAN raise to 250...there is no question about it.

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The only question is, are you reading the question.

This is after the flop, it isn't raised to 150, it's a bet of 150.

REread, REthink, REply

[Zetack]

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no.

This is after the flop.

It's checked to him, he bets 150, the raise must be to at least 300.

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I misread it too, and thought it was PF--throwing in the blinds threw me off since they are irrelevant post flop except to define the minimum bet.

The above is clearly correct, he must raise to 300 if raising.

PF the other answer would be correct and he could raise to 250.

--Zetack