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05-31-2005, 11:16 PM
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Re: Hunting Rabbits at the Commerce: first trip to LA
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first time through the books? lucky you. [/ QUOTE ] Yes. Girlfriend/Hero started the first when I was on number seven. She completed them all while I am just starting "Truelove" (number fifteen I think). In fairness, she has a lot more time to read than I do [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Regards, Rick 
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#12
06-01-2005, 01:54 AM
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Higher Limits you get carte blanche
I usually play at the Mecca's bigger NL games, 20/40, 40/80, 50/100 and you would not believe the stuff we are allowed to get away with.
Technically the rule is if any one single player objects to something, then whatever that player objects to becomes dead but in my experience that rarely happens. We are usually allowed to rabbit hunt, make deals and run the deck until the stub runs dry. There is a certain amount of lawlessness about it, but I kind of think it is cool. It is the Wild Wild West out here, Commerce must live up to that reputation. I do believe Wyatt Earp works part time as a floorman at Commerce. I have seen a few beefs about the deal making that goes on during these no limit games and apparently the deal making is encouraged by management. I have heard with my own ears, Jerry telling the floorpeople that this is allowed and whatever the players agree to is cool. But I generally do not recommend rabbit hunting, sometimes ignorance is just bliss.
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06-01-2005, 02:40 AM
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Re: Higher Limits you get carte blanche
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We are usually allowed to rabbit hunt, make deals and run the deck until the stub runs dry. [/ QUOTE ] The problem with rabbit hunting is you might expose a card someone was representing in their hand so you just learned he was bluffing.
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06-01-2005, 05:19 AM
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Re: Higher Limits you get carte blanche
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[ QUOTE ] We are usually allowed to rabbit hunt, make deals and run the deck until the stub runs dry. [/ QUOTE ] The problem with rabbit hunting is you might expose a card someone was representing in their hand so you just learned he was bluffing. [/ QUOTE ] The reality is that you would see objections if decent players are rabit hunting for information. But that rarely happens, it's usually the lunatic action players just looking to see if they would have gotten lucky. ~ Rick
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#15
06-01-2005, 05:23 AM
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Re: Higher Limits you get carte blanche
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The reality is that you would see objections if decent players are rabit hunting for information. But that rarely happens, it's usually the lunatic action players just looking to see if they would have gotten lucky. [/ QUOTE ] That of course is correct, but the decent players are still at the table and might gain info on accident.
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#17
06-01-2005, 09:25 AM
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Re: Hunting Rabbits at the Commerce: first trip to LA
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By putting the admonition not to rabbit hunt at the same level as the other two diminishes the others, as I would think most players who understand what makes a good game also understand that rabbit hunting does little harm. [/ QUOTE ] Personally I don't think rabbit hunting itself is a big problem. If every now and then a player asks the dealer "could I see the river" and the dealer quickly burns and turns the last card, scrambles the deck and moves on, thats perfectly fine with me. The problem I have is when every other hand a player in the 8 seat is extending his body over my chips and reaching across the entire table to flip through every card in the deck to find his one-outer that would have completed his royal flush. It just seems asinine to me that it is fine for the dealer to fan out the deck for the player in the 8 seat to sift through the cards, but it is not ok for the dealer to quickly flip the river because "the dealer is not allowed to rabbit hunt". Either make the rule that rabbit hunting is allowed, and let the dealer do it. Or make the rule that it is not allowed, and no one can do it.
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#18
06-01-2005, 10:45 AM
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Re: Hunting Rabbits at the Commerce: first trip to LA
Rabbit hunting is a BAD PRACTICE plain and simple.
In permitting it, you allow players to not only see the cards that were to come, but in seeing those cards you can now know that a player that did not have to show his cards did not hold those cards that were rabbit hunted. For example, suppose player 1 run a bluff on player 2, representing the nut flush, and the rabbit hunted card shows the Ace of the flush suit, thus proving a player was bluffing without actually paying to see his cards. This is just one example of why this can be bad for the game - I am sure there are many other reasons ...
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#19
06-01-2005, 12:56 PM
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Re: Hunting Rabbits at the Commerce: first trip to LA
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[ QUOTE ] By putting the admonition not to rabbit hunt at the same level as the other two diminishes the others, as I would think most players who understand what makes a good game also understand that rabbit hunting does little harm. [/ QUOTE ] Personally I don't think rabbit hunting itself is a big problem. If every now and then a player asks the dealer "could I see the river" and the dealer quickly burns and turns the last card, scrambles the deck and moves on, thats perfectly fine with me. [/ QUOTE ] And it is with most people. My paragraph above would be better had I inserted the word "occasional" before the phrase "rabbit hunting does little harm". [ QUOTE ] The problem I have is when every other hand a player in the 8 seat is extending his body over my chips and reaching across the entire table to flip through every card in the deck to find his one-outer that would have completed his royal flush. It just seems asinine to me that it is fine for the dealer to fan out the deck for the player in the 8 seat to sift through the cards, but it is not ok for the dealer to quickly flip the river because "the dealer is not allowed to rabbit hunt". [/ QUOTE ] I agree. But the action you describe by seat 8 above typically generates numerous objections, and deep within every rule book I've seen you will find a rule against rabbit hunting. So the dealer would be able to stop it when it matters (i.e. when it annoys people or slows down the game significantly). [ QUOTE ] Either make the rule that rabbit hunting is allowed, and let the dealer do it. Or make the rule that it is not allowed, and no one can do it. [/ QUOTE ] It's already not allowed per the rules and rarely occurs in most limit games, when it does it is usually a "live one" who is curious and it is such a relatively insignificant transgression that the wiser players don't object and the dealers allow it to slide unless there is an objection. IOW, it would be "nitish" to object to an occasional rabbit hunt by the players who provide the most action. OTOH, it would be reasonable to object to constant rabbit hunting, rabbit hunting in the middle of the hand, or rabbit hunting done by the player rather than by the dealer by request of a player (a more sensible/important rule would be for the player never to touch other cards, the stub, or the muck, etc.). Regards, Rick
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#20
06-01-2005, 01:04 PM
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Re: Higher Limits you get carte blanche
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[ QUOTE ] The reality is that you would see objections if decent players are rabbit hunting for information. But that rarely happens, it's usually the lunatic action players just looking to see if they would have gotten lucky. [/ QUOTE ] That of course is correct, but the decent players are still at the table and might gain info on accident. [/ QUOTE ] Agree. That said, it's unlikely that the "hunted" card will be significant. Generally, the players get information equally (an obvious exception would be a case where a player secretly throwing away the second nut flush finds that the nut flush card was out of play). Regards, Rick
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