MUBS?

Aaron W. · #1 11-29-2005, 12:35 PM

Both villains are known to be aggressive. SB is stupid aggressive heads up (meaning he might do all sorts of crazy things with nothing) and button is a little trickier with his aggression, but bluffs a little too often.

With the two pair connected combinations, and the one card straight in both directions, and the backdoor flush (which isn't as much of a concern as the other two), is it MUBS to check and call one bet here? If so, is it bet-call or bet-fold?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks...

jt1 · #2 11-29-2005, 12:38 PM

i bet/call half expecting to pick off a bluff. obviously, fold if it comes back 2 to you

irishpint · #3 11-29-2005, 12:38 PM

i like a check since you say villians are aggro. that means button is going to bet this often and when he does you still have the best hand often enough. it also means you dont risk getting raised off the best hand. c/c one bet, obviously if SB c/r you're getting out and I wouldn't overcall either.

Guruman · #4 11-29-2005, 01:28 PM

--blind response--

I think the most straightforward play is bet/call vs a couple of aggros. IMO bet/fold is out of the question with this hand given the opposition. (I hate folding good hands vs crazy aggro players)

They could easily read you for whiffed overcards and be calling or betting with any number of non-J or 7 hands.

The reason I don't like checking is because SB may raise a button bet (on a likely paired T or Q) with some kind of random hand, and you'll have to lay down the best hand.

If you bet out and it comes back two to you, then you can lay it down.

SlantNGo · #5 11-29-2005, 01:41 PM

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i like a check since you say villians are aggro. that means button is going to bet this often and when he does you still have the best hand often enough. it also means you dont risk getting raised off the best hand. c/c one bet, obviously if SB c/r you're getting out and I wouldn't overcall either.

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Agreed except I don't mind an overcall... SB could easily call with just a pair.

SCfuji · #6 11-29-2005, 01:42 PM

does the stupid aggression continue to the river? if button likes to bluff and sb knows this and try to get you off your hand you cant do anything else but check call two. hopefully button doesnt go too stupid and 3 bet and sb caps. then you can fold!

Peter Harris · #7 11-29-2005, 01:51 PM

if button loves to bluff, check-call (and check-overcall).
if not, i bet-call. I don't like bet-fold 1 (bet-fold 2 is goot).

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Peter Harris · #8 11-29-2005, 03:19 PM

edit: what do you do if you bet, button raises, and SB coldcalls? it's only 1 back to you, but the action indicates trouble...

bobman0330 · #9 11-29-2005, 03:37 PM

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i like a check since you say villians are aggro. that means button is going to bet this often and when he does you still have the best hand often enough. it also means you dont risk getting raised off the best hand. c/c one bet, obviously if SB c/r you're getting out and I wouldn't overcall either.

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Unless they're both playing a flop pair with a deuce kicker, you're not winning. I can't fold against one opponent for one bet in this pot, but I don't expect to win this pot ever. If there's a call in front, I think a fold is clear.

Aaron W. · #10 11-29-2005, 04:15 PM

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edit: what do you do if you bet, button raises, and SB coldcalls? it's only 1 back to you, but the action indicates trouble...

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I would feel compelled to call, but I would be very certain I was beat. Even without the coldcaller, I have a tough time believing my hand is good if I get raised. I would need button to be super-donkey to raise a hand I beat (not that it wouldn't happen, but it's a long shot).

Basically, I felt my hand was not worth two bets on the river, no matter how the action comes out. I can check-call for one bet, check-fold for two, and I don't mind getting a free showdown. There are just too many bad things that happened with that river card.