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KQo and i\'m first to act
Ok 15/30 game. About two hours after this hand it turns into maybe the best live game I've ever sat in. That's irrelevant but I just wanted to throw that out there.
Folded to mike l. on the button who raises, I 3bet in the SB with KQ. BB folds and mike calls. Flop is AKx with two spades, I have no spades. I don't remember what the x was but I remember that it wasn't important, probably a 7 or so. I bet and mike calls. Turn is some card, maybe a 2 or so. I check and mike checks. River is an offsuit 5. I bet, mike raises and I call without much thought. Ok lay into me. |
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Re: KQo and i\'m first to act
I play it the exact same way. I do not think the river raise necessarily means an ace. If he had an ace he would have bet the turn.
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Re: KQo and i\'m first to act
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I play it the exact same way. I do not think the river raise necessarily means an ace. If he had an ace he would have bet the turn. [/ QUOTE ] an ace from a smart player will check this turn a lot knowing exactly what's going to happeon the river when the sb has KQ or KJ. |
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Re: KQo and i\'m first to act
hey justin, i check/call the river. i don't think i'd call the river raise.
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Re: KQo and i\'m first to act
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hey justin, i check/call the river. i don't think i'd call the river raise. [/ QUOTE ] Talking about the hand afterwards, mike said he's bluff raising that river about 0% of the time. The reason is that when I check the turn, it's a defensive check, and it's screaming that I want to get to showdown. Either that or I'm going for a checkraise with a strong hand in which case I'm not folding to a river raise either. Given that I'm still uncertain whether bet/fold or check/call is best on the river. Also there's one other line that we decided was super expert, any guesses? |
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Re: KQo and i\'m first to act
Open muck when he calls the flop?
-DeathDonkey |
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Re: KQo and i\'m first to act
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[ QUOTE ] hey justin, i check/call the river. i don't think i'd call the river raise. [/ QUOTE ] Talking about the hand afterwards, mike said he's bluff raising that river about 0% of the time. The reason is that when I check the turn, it's a defensive check, and it's screaming that I want to get to showdown. Either that or I'm going for a checkraise with a strong hand in which case I'm not folding to a river raise either. Given that I'm still uncertain whether bet/fold or check/call is best on the river. Also there's one other line that we decided was super expert, any guesses? [/ QUOTE ] If mike says hes bluff raising there 0% of the time then obvoiusly bet fold is the best line.....but to be honest with you, I dont trust that statement [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] In general if you are unsure how to react if Mike does raise the river, then you are better off checking and calling IMO. |
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Re: KQo and i\'m first to act
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[ QUOTE ] it's a defensive check, and it's screaming that I want to get to showdown. Either that or I'm going for a checkraise with a strong hand in which case I'm not folding to a river raise either. [/ QUOTE ] is true then [ QUOTE ] one other line that we decided was super expert [/ QUOTE ] Would have to be to 3bet the river. |
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Re: KQo and i\'m first to act
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If [ QUOTE ] it's a defensive check, and it's screaming that I want to get to showdown. Either that or I'm going for a checkraise with a strong hand in which case I'm not folding to a river raise either. [/ QUOTE ] is true then [ QUOTE ] one other line that we decided was super expert [/ QUOTE ] Would have to be to 3bet the river. [/ QUOTE ] agreed. |
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Re: KQo and i\'m first to act
no it was for him to c/r the river. i would be forced to fold a lone A if he did that. but a lot of this has to do with how we play live and our perception of each other's game.
anyway when i call the flop it's pretty clear i have an A or some weak draw like a gutter ball or paired the low card on the flop. the check on the turn by me is a defensive check. it's either a hand to weak to call a river bet, or an A. justin's 3 betting standards from the sb here are pretty high. he's not just doing this with any hand. |
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