Is this a value bet?

[bigredlemon]

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I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon and say bet because I check here against all but the worst calling stations. If you guys are betting 50 and folding to a PSR+ I think its a bad bet. Decent players will raise a weak VB with hands you beat.

I'm open-minded as usual however.

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Are you kdiding me? I've played every stakes from 1cent/2cent to 5/10NL and I've run into maybe 2 or 3 players TOTAL who are capable of checkraising the river on a bluff bcause the value bet looks weak.

If he c/r, we fold, it's easy.

[/ QUOTE ]THen you must not play very often. I regularly see aggressive players build a huge stack by doing this.

[BobboFitos]

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I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon and say bet because I check here against all but the worst calling stations. If you guys are betting 50 and folding to a PSR+ I think its a bad bet. Decent players will raise a weak VB with hands you beat.

I'm open-minded as usual however.

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Are you kdiding me? I've played every stakes from 1cent/2cent to 5/10NL and I've run into maybe 2 or 3 players TOTAL who are capable of checkraising the river on a bluff bcause the value bet looks weak.

If he c/r, we fold, it's easy.

[/ QUOTE ]THen you must not play very often. I regularly see aggressive players build a huge stack by doing this.

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[beset7]

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Are you kdiding me? I've played every stakes from 1cent/2cent to 5/10NL and I've run into maybe 2 or 3 players TOTAL who are capable of checkraising the river on a bluff bcause the value bet looks weak.

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How do you know they aren't bluffing if you bet and fold to the raise on the river? just curious.

[beset7]

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Are you kdiding me? I've played every stakes from 1cent/2cent to 5/10NL and I've run into maybe 2 or 3 players TOTAL who are capable of checkraising the river on a bluff bcause the value bet looks weak.

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How do you know they aren't bluffing if you bet and fold to the raise on the river? just curious.

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I know a handful of people of bluff-raise the river with some frequency and I"m curious how you know this. in other words, bump.

[TheWorstPlayer]

You can't value bet as weakly against those people. But that's okay, because you'll make up for the value lost on your marginal hands by the extra value you'll gain on your monsters when they bluff check/raise into them. Also, depending on the action during the hand, it may not make sense for them to have a strong hand and you may be able to snap off a bluff check/raise even with a marginal holding. soah posted a hand a while ago which was like that. He got check/raised big on the river with one pair and the action just made no sense. I am and some other posters all pointed out as much and said that we would call. In the actual hand, he called and won. It was a few months ago, so I'm not sure how easy it would be to find, but it was definitely an interesting hand with some good discussion. It was from a live game, and he had posted several in a row from live action while he was in vegas or AC or something, if that helps someone dig it up...

[yvesaint]

how often do you bet 1/3 pot on a draw heavy flop

[2PAUL2]

verrrry thin.

only hand i see calling is JT.

looks like hes drawing to clubs/straight.

if hes loose enough to call on the end with J9,78/9,A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] etc. then maybe 1/3 pot?

im with xorbie though an prolly checking behind to see his hand.

paul

[yvesaint]

although yea im definitely betting 50 on this river, he is going to look you up with pair+draw, pair, a lot of the time

though he can easily put you on a K because you bet so little on flop / so much more on turn

[FreakDaddy]

With your read being that he's 'wierd', unless you can confidently nail him down on a hand here, I'd check behind. I'd love to say bet, but if I were in the hand I'd check behind and take a peak. There aren't many worse hands that are going to call you here so I don't see it being long term +EV.

[Rozez]

I think you can reraise this hand PF. Button doesn't need much to raise here so you might actually be ahead with KQ.

This hand looks kinda standard to me and when it comes to river, I think you don't gain much by betting. The only worse hands your opponent would call you with are something like a pair of tens with a busted draw or maybe jacks (weirdly played [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]) Against a loose opponent this is a clear bet, though. I'm guessing something like 33-50% of the pot would be proper.

Rozez