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Old 12-29-2005, 12:23 PM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default $11 AK, missed 8 high flop... stop n go ok? (nice pot)

I have read about stop n go, but never used it until recently... and now I am using a lot (probably too much... as I often do when I am learning/applying something new)

So I raise w/ AK and miss the flop. Better to c-bet, push, or check and fold?

Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: jeterboy555 ( $1150 )
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_00 ( $875 )
Seat 4: Julia1969 ( $2210 )
Seat 9: j5ispool ( $685 )
Seat 10: rodneydog ( $1675 )
Seat 7: treecat0320 ( $560 )
Seat 6: Reseda ( $845 )
Trny:18692278 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ Kd Ac ]
Julia1969 calls [30].
Reseda folds.
treecat0320 calls [30].
j5ispool folds.
rodneydog folds.
jeterboy555 folds.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 raises [120].
Julia1969 calls [120].
treecat0320 calls [120].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, 2h, 5d ]
HERO?
Results in White <font color="white">
Dr_Jeckyl_00 is all-In [725]
Julia1969 folds.
treecat0320 is all-In [410]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jh ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4s ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 shows [ Kd, Ac ] high card ace.
treecat0320 shows [ 6c, 6s ] a pair of sixes.
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Old 12-29-2005, 12:28 PM
RobGW RobGW is offline
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Default Re: $11 AK, missed 8 high flop... stop n go ok? (nice pot)

This isn't a stop and go. It's a continuation bet. And a bad one at that. What do low level players like to do? CALL. So why even c-bet? The name of the game at the lower levels is value bet...
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Old 12-29-2005, 12:29 PM
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Default Re: $11 AK, missed 8 high flop... stop n go ok? (nice pot)

This isn't a stop-and-go (right?). I always thought a stop-and-go was calling pre-flop (not raising) and then jam the flop...
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Old 12-29-2005, 12:31 PM
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Default Re: $11 AK, missed 8 high flop... stop n go ok? (nice pot)

It's not a stop and go.. and I don't like a cont bet here either.. it's a rainbow 8 high flop into two opponents. Check-fold for me.
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Old 12-29-2005, 12:32 PM
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Default Re: $11 AK, missed 8 high flop... stop n go ok? (nice pot)

By the way with treecat0320 so low preflop I might have raised some crazy amount like t560 exactly, to let Julia1969 know what was up - I have a hand I want to be all in with the small stack with, and to get the hell out of the way.
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Old 12-29-2005, 12:38 PM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default Re: $11 AK, missed 8 high flop... stop n go ok? (nice pot)

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By the way with treecat0320 so low preflop I might have raised some crazy amount like t560 exactly, to let Julia1969 know what was up - I have a hand I want to be all in with the small stack with, and to get the hell out of the way.

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Well the blinds are only t30... and If I am going to bet t560, I might as well go all-in... I am not folding if Julia comes over the top...
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Old 12-29-2005, 12:39 PM
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Default Re: $11 AK, missed 8 high flop... stop n go ok? (nice pot)

Personally, I'm not a big fan of raising AK out of the blinds in this situation. Higher blinds or if the OP had a stack of say 500 or below, I'd push pre-flop. But with low blinds and a good stack, I'd usually just check here and play from there. If I did raise, it would probably be a bit more in order to let them know that I'm serious.

But in this exact spot, I'm not going to commit my whole stack with a couple of high cards on a whiffed flop, especially after getting multiple pre-flop callers.
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Old 12-29-2005, 12:44 PM
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Default Re: $11 AK, missed 8 high flop... stop n go ok? (nice pot)

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Personally, I'm not a big fan of raising AK out of the blinds in this situation. Higher blinds or if the OP had a stack of say 500 or below, I'd push pre-flop. But with low blinds and a good stack, I'd usually just check here and play from there. If I did raise, it would probably be a bit more in order to let them know that I'm serious.

But in this exact spot, I'm not going to commit my whole stack with a couple of high cards on a whiffed flop, especially after getting multiple pre-flop callers.

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So in your example, assuming the same situation, but you raised more t150-200, whatever, you're check/folding the flop?
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Old 12-29-2005, 12:56 PM
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Default Re: $11 AK, missed 8 high flop... stop n go ok? (nice pot)

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Personally, I'm not a big fan of raising AK out of the blinds in this situation. Higher blinds or if the OP had a stack of say 500 or below, I'd push pre-flop. But with low blinds and a good stack, I'd usually just check here and play from there. If I did raise, it would probably be a bit more in order to let them know that I'm serious.

But in this exact spot, I'm not going to commit my whole stack with a couple of high cards on a whiffed flop, especially after getting multiple pre-flop callers.

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So in your example, assuming the same situation, but you raised more t150-200, whatever, you're check/folding the flop?

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Against two callers, that's probably what I'd do. Maybe I'd even throw some stupid, weird mini-bet out there in order to try to get a free turn. (After all, this IS an 11.) [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Alot of players freeze up against such behavior. This is what sucks about playing hands OOP. But the thing is, I don't want my stack getting severely hurt this hand if I miss. It just seems to me that with mulitple callers after that flop, your hand basically sucks.

You make money at the 11s by value betting, not by bluffing. So yes, I'd check /fold or maybe mini-bet and try for one 'free' card. Shut 'er down. For all these reasons (healthy stack, low blinds, OOP, disguised hand if you hit) I prefer checking pre-flop.
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Old 12-29-2005, 01:28 PM
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Check pf, check fold the flop
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