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Old 12-30-2005, 10:50 AM
Joe Tall Joe Tall is offline
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Default Re: Why did you checkraise?

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i only like pf if the blinds are so tight that you would make this play with xx.

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Victor,

22 is not xx. 22 is a showdown hand and if you can get HU often with position, you are going to win often enough to show a profit.

I just ran a PP fliter:

22-66 and chance to steal & raised at 0.34BB/hand over my last 65k hands, 167 opportunities (most recent DB).
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Old 12-30-2005, 01:03 PM
Victor Victor is offline
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Default Re: Why did you checkraise?

22 is much different than 66. its more like 33.
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Old 12-30-2005, 03:40 PM
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Default Re: Why did you checkraise?

I fold to the flop CR.

I dont think he is bluffing often enough to call down with a hand that pretty much canīt improve.
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:27 AM
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Default Re: Why did you checkraise?

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I fold to the flop CR.

I dont think he is bluffing often enough to call down with a hand that pretty much canīt improve.

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More often than not Hero will have to invest 2.5 BB to win what is currently 5.25 BB (will of course become 7.5BB by the river assuming the opponent bets all streets). Assuming TheDaver is going to see a river then a turn raise is the correct play for a free showdown/fold to a 3-bet.

With that said I still fold on the flop without intimate knowledge of my opponent, his range of possible hands is too great regardless of the Queens, any paired hand beats the hero so why bother proceeding?

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Old 12-31-2005, 04:27 PM
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Default Re: Why did you checkraise?

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i only like pf if the blinds are so tight that you would make this play with xx.

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Victor,

22 is not xx. 22 is a showdown hand and if you can get HU often with position, you are going to win often enough to show a profit.

I just ran a PP fliter:

22-66 and chance to steal & raised at 0.34BB/hand over my last 65k hands, 167 opportunities (most recent DB).

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1. 66 is waaaay better than 22. 66 is an easy raise two off the button.

2. 167 hands means very close to nothing esp. in blind battles.
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