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Old 12-14-2005, 07:54 PM
pokerjoker pokerjoker is offline
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did I donk this?

Reads: Villian is very aggro.

I was hoping flush wouldn't come on river and he would either push or I could push with my "missed draw"

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Hero ($208.20)
MP2 ($170.40)
MP3 ($453.25)
CO ($199.90)
Button ($168.75)
SB ($460.65)
BB ($321.50)
UTG ($205.60)
UTG+1 ($36)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB (poster) raises to $7</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $6, MP3 calls $6.

Flop: ($28) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $27</font>, Hero calls $27, MP3 folds.

Turn: ($82) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $55</font>, Hero calls $55.

River: ($192) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero calls $118.20 (All-In).
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Old 12-14-2005, 07:58 PM
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Default Re: slowplay 200NL

I don't actually mind the call on the flop so much, but you're seriously gotta push the turn, it's significantly less than a pot size raise. Why let the draw hit so he can possibly get away?
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Old 12-14-2005, 08:09 PM
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Default Re: slowplay 200NL

let me be very clear. this was NOT a situation to slowplay.
You can ONLY slowplay when the next street might bring your opponent a card that will leave him with the second best hand.

For example, let's say you have Ks, Kh and the flop comes Kd, 3s, 8c. This MIGHT be a good time to slow play. It is very unlikely that the turn will bring a card that will put you behind.

In your case, however, there are a number of cards that can come on the turn and destroy your hand (a pairing of the board, or a diamond).

You HAVE to reraise this flop. I'd made it $75-$100 to go. (Hopefully he calls/pushes with an overpair).

If you slowplay this hand, you run a serious risk. Instead of winning a moderately sized pot, you can lose a huge one. RAISE RAISE RAISE.
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Old 12-14-2005, 08:30 PM
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Default Re: slowplay 200NL

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I don't actually mind the call on the flop so much, but you're seriously gotta push the turn, it's significantly less than a pot size raise. Why let the draw hit so he can possibly get away?

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Old 12-14-2005, 08:30 PM
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You can ONLY slowplay when the next street might bring your opponent a card that will leave him with the second best hand.

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Wrong.

You can also slowplay when your opponent is likely to be drawing very slim, but will keep betting anyway.
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Old 12-14-2005, 08:38 PM
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Default Re: slowplay 200NL

I see 2 cards that would make me a lose a huge pot on the river.
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Old 12-14-2005, 08:41 PM
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I don't actually mind the call on the flop so much, but you're seriously gotta push the turn, it's significantly less than a pot size raise. Why let the draw hit so he can possibly get away?

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yup, you nailed it. Thats what I figured. Just double checking.

I have a new rule I am going to do. When I flop the best hand I will ALWAYS either valuebet/raise (85%) or Checkraise turn (15%).
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Old 12-14-2005, 08:44 PM
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I have a new rule I am going to do. When I flop the best hand I will ALWAYS either valuebet/raise (85%) or Checkraise turn (15%).

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Rules with this word in them usually suck.
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Old 12-14-2005, 08:48 PM
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Default Re: slowplay 200NL

the reason not to slowplay this hand isn't because he's scared to lose the pot...it's because like half the deck will kill his action on the turn.
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Old 12-14-2005, 08:49 PM
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I have a new rule I am going to do. When I flop the best hand I will ALWAYS either valuebet/raise (85%) or Checkraise turn (15%).

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Rules with this word in them usually suck.

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OK, unless I feel villian is on a 100% bluff and will try to steal river I will ALWAYS do that. Maybe I need to think more, but I can't think fo any situations that this isin't a good idea.
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