32o against a generally passive player.

[Entity]

Party 10/20.

UTG limps. He's loose and passive and fairly straightforward. Folded to me and I check in the BB with 32o.

Flop K32r. I bet, he raises.

What's better? 3-bet and keep plugging away, or call and c/r the turn? I don't think he'd raise a donkbet with one pair on the turn.

Rob

[cockandbull]

i would 3-bet and lead. If he top pair i think he calls down and i think you lose the least when behind.

[random]

I keep it simple and just three-bet.

[meow_meow]

Assuming of course that you are ahead (he's got a big king), you get 3.5 BBs in from the flop on by 3-betting.
If you go for the cr and it works, you get 4 BBs.
If you go for the cr and he checks the turn, you get 2 BBs.
So from that perspective, you have to be at least 75% sure he'll bet the turn for the cr route to be +EV.

On the flip side, he has you beat or outdraws you. It costs you 4 or 4.5 BBs flop on in the first case, and 5 BBs if he reraises the turn on your cr.

Ok, so I haven't considered the times he'll fold, but I think those are pretty strategy neutral.

[Entity]

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Assuming of course that you are ahead (he's got a big king), you get 3.5 BBs in from the flop on by 3-betting.
If you go for the cr and it works, you get 4 BBs.
If you go for the cr and he checks the turn, you get 2 BBs.
So from that perspective, you have to be at least 75% sure he'll bet the turn for the cr route to be +EV.

On the flip side, he has you beat or outdraws you. It costs you 4 or 4.5 BBs flop on in the first case, and 5 BBs if he reraises the turn on your cr.

Ok, so I haven't considered the times he'll fold, but I think those are pretty strategy neutral.

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There are also some savings that you get from the times that a King turns by call/cr'ing, too.

Rob

[Lmn55d]

hi. I would probably checkraise this flop these days. The way you played it, I would checkraise the turn as there aren't many draws he could be raising with and if he has a king there aren't many scare cards for him. He's loose so he's probably not folding a king, his most likely holding.

EDIT: I realize you said he's loose and passive. If he's passive enough not to bet this flop if checked to (rare IMO) your flop bet is good, or if he is passive enough to call down with ace high but not after you checkraise it, flop bet also good.

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crainc

[Entity]

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crainc

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WTF?

[spamuell]

Checkraise because he basically always bets the turn and calls down and like you said, when the turn is a K you save money.

[B Dids]

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crainc

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WTF?

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Check raise and it's not close?

I like a c/r as well. I think you get most from what looks like a K but not an awesome K.