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Old 09-07-2005, 05:23 PM
teajay teajay is offline
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Default Re: AQ on scary board

Check fold, this flop sucks. Even when you do hit your gutshot, you're praying for no more hearts. That is if someone doesn't even already have the flush.
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Old 09-07-2005, 07:24 PM
gharp gharp is offline
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Default Re: AQ on scary board

Well I auto-bet out, but I was wishing there was an Undo button right afterwards. I'm convinced now that checking is better. Anyway, here's what happened next:


Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Button calls.

Flop: (8 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, Button calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero...

So now, nobody's shown any strength, I improved, but there's a four-straight and an overcard on board. Button will call down with a J,9,A-high or the 3 of purple horseshoes, but UTG is still hanging around and I'm pretty readless on him. So do I bet and fold to a raise? Or just check/fold now?
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Old 09-07-2005, 09:17 PM
HtotheNootch HtotheNootch is offline
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Default Re: AQ on scary board

I check/fold the flop. Anything that improves me most likely improves someone else.

3 to a flush, and 4 to a straight on the board, makes 2nd pair and an overpair pretty worthless. Check fold the turn.
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Old 09-07-2005, 09:24 PM
SmileyPSU SmileyPSU is offline
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Default Re: AQ on scary board

This flop is definately miserable for the hand you hold. An unpaired hand with one overcard on a monotone board with open-enders galore is not the kind of hand I am going to be playing against multiple opponents. You are not going to fold out anyone with a respectable heart and may be drawing dead to the flush or up against a made straight already. I would check and drop this for anything coming back my way.
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Old 09-07-2005, 09:32 PM
SmileyPSU SmileyPSU is offline
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Maybe a leak of mine. I generally like to bet out when I'm the pf raiser when a scary board flops. Not saying that I do it all the time, but hey, if it works (in this case)more that 12.5% of the time, it's worth it.....right????[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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I used to do this all the time but I found that when you bet flops like these after you've raised preflop, it's when even passive players are more likely to bluff or semi-bluff and raise it back to you. I might lead or bluff-checkraise if it's just the preflop raiser, myself, and one other opponent but I don't think you're folding out three opponent on this flop. I think it's just tossing money away.
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