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Old 10-09-2005, 01:36 AM
Jim Kuhn Jim Kuhn is offline
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Default My take on the \'dump the skins fiasco\'

I do not receive any rakeback (probably like an idiot), don't play much on the party skins and don't really like the party skins overall. I do think this is a very serious time for party and the many players and friends here on 2+2. Party's decision will probably send a few pro's back to regular jobs and may cost the firm alot of profit and customers.

I have deleted several rakeback posts and considered banning a couple of regular posters. I have let alot of questionable discussions carry on and also did not delete the damage control $$ added tourney by Mike O'Malley. Mike has been a valuable poster here and carries our ideas back to Party management. He is trying to do his job AND help us poker players in general.

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Old 10-09-2005, 01:44 AM
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Default Re: My take on the \'dump the skins fiasco\'

Jim, The skins have tightened up considerably, and after cashouts are processed some skins if not all could become graveyards at times like Bodog.

Party did the 'smart' thing, and now they have a monopoly, and have increased their profits hugely, especially since all the mutlitablers now can still do their thing minus the forbidden word.

Mike may be a walking "press release", but I doubt our feelings even if they did go back to Party will make changes.

Party wins, flawless victory.

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Old 10-09-2005, 01:48 AM
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Default Re: My take on the \'dump the skins fiasco\'

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Party did the 'smart' thing, and now they have a monopoly, and have increased their profits hugely, especially since all the mutlitablers now can still do their thing minus the forbidden word.


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this is all very not true. monopoly?????
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Old 10-09-2005, 01:49 AM
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Default Re: My take on the \'dump the skins fiasco\'

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cost the firm alot of profit and customers.


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You are absolutey correct. Especially after every self respecting 2+2'r resolves to never ever play another single hand on party ever again.

(cough cough) was nice, but I'm too vindictive let this fall by the wayside. Party management has a huge mountain to climb if they ever want another cent of rake from me and I would be very disappointed if this were not the case with a majority of players who are going to read this.

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Mike has been a valuable poster here and carries our ideas back to Party management. He is trying to do his job AND help us poker players in general.


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I firmly believe you overestimate our friend. If he repeated half the things said here about Party Management he would be canned. He probably keeps his mouth shut and nods his head yes like every other corporate crony.

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Old 10-09-2005, 01:51 AM
Jim Kuhn Jim Kuhn is offline
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Default Re: My take on the \'dump the skins fiasco\'

Party in one week may go from the largest poker site on the internet to the fourth or fifth. This could pave the way for other large sites to really increase market share. The impact on many pro's that are rakeback dependent multi-tablers could be devestating.

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Old 10-09-2005, 02:01 AM
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Default Re: My take on the \'dump the skins fiasco\'

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Party in one week may go from the largest poker site on the internet to the fourth or fifth. This could pave the way for other large sites to really increase market share. The impact on many pro's that are rakeback dependent multi-tablers could be devestating.

Thank you,

Jim Kuhn
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The sharks will go where the fish are, and the fish will go where the advertisements lead them, and Party outmarkets any other site.

While you may be right, and many 'breakeven' players who live of rakeback may go to the competitors, they may just get better at Poker. Party's allowing 10 tables now proves that they expect many of the mutli-tablers to migrate across to Party, because that's where the fishies are.

I think this is a smart move by Party who knew they had a base which was worth more exclusive than shared, but who knows, it could backfire on them? (I personally doubt it though)

Question is, will Empire go bust? Unlike Eurobet which has a sportsbook and casino, I imagine the 'exclusive' Party skins (should that be former Party skins?) will have to talk to their accountants.
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Old 10-09-2005, 02:44 AM
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Default Re: My take on the \'dump the skins fiasco\'

I can see a similarity between this situation and the Athenian Empire and the Delian League. After decades of paying Athens to provide defense the members of the Delian League fond themselves basically clients since they had could no longer defend themselves versus Athens or others. Similiarly, after years of having Party Poker provide advertising and building a player base the other Party skins don't have independent platforms and the "fish" to go it alone.

Melian debate(paraphrase): There is justice only among equals, otherwise the strong take what they can and the weak give what they must. -Thucydides
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Old 10-09-2005, 02:48 AM
Jim Kuhn Jim Kuhn is offline
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Default Re: My take on the \'dump the skins fiasco\'

I agree with you. I think the skins will bail from the Party Network as soon as their contracts are up. I am surprised the skins did not have a clause in the contact binding PartyPoker.com to the skins network. The next year or two will be very interesting for the online poker world!

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Old 10-09-2005, 02:49 AM
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(cough cough) was nice, but I'm too vindictive let this fall by the wayside. Party management has a huge mountain to climb if they ever want another cent of rake from me and I would be very disappointed if this were not the case with a majority of players who are going to read this.


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absolutely retarded.

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Old 10-09-2005, 02:54 AM
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Default Re: My take on the \'dump the skins fiasco\'

Im in an AP history class and my teacher keeps preaching about how history repeats itself and you can predict the future by knowing your history. I like the Delian league analogy. I can't think of another example at the moment :'(
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