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Old 11-23-2005, 08:42 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I play Axs & KJo all of the time ... from LP with 2 limpers, or one raiser and 3 limpers, or the blinds with good odds. It's just that you seem to call with these hands from EP & MP.

I'll even open raise with them from LP sometimes.

I also looked at the PokerStove output for your HH and it agreeded that you should have made a small profit.
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Old 11-23-2005, 08:54 PM
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Actually the PokerGrade site said the same thing so maybe you are right about the small profit part.

Perhaps a combination of the QQ hand, not being aggressive enough on the river, and not getting enough value in general from the flop on in the hands that I did win?

The hands I lost money on I dont feel that I would of lost any less (unless you count the hand where the guy hit the boat, that's quesionable), would you agree with that?

I open raise with those hands from LP as well, I would never open limp with any hand. I think you are right though Im throwing a lot of them in MP (before the CO, right?), and at times I even get so bold as to do it even earlier which is probally a huge mistake in these online games.
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Old 11-23-2005, 09:37 PM
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Go into PT's General Info tab and click on "Filters". Then click on the "Any Raise" bullet. Then do the same for "No Raise".

You're winning money when you raise pre flop and losing money when you don't. I beleive the reason is that the hands that are normal for limping are harder to play aggressivly post flop and your post flop play refelects that. So, you either need to tighten up pre flop, get more agressive post flop, or more likely, a little of each.
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Old 11-24-2005, 12:38 AM
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Thanks that's an awesome observation!!

I actually bought PokerTrackerGuide but a lot of the ideas in it seemed kind of obvious. Im always interested in new ideas on how to find leaks.
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Old 11-24-2005, 04:53 PM
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Go into PT's General Info tab and click on "Filters". Then click on the "Any Raise" bullet. Then do the same for "No Raise".

You're winning money when you raise pre flop and losing money when you don't. I beleive the reason is that the hands that are normal for limping are harder to play aggressivly post flop and your post flop play refelects that. So, you either need to tighten up pre flop, get more agressive post flop, or more likely, a little of each.

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I ran this thru my entire sample at Party and this is my results: (only 4493 hands though, very tiny sample)

Any Raise -> Win %62.44 +0.74 BB/Hand won
No Raise-> Win %25.45 +0.17 BB/Hand won

So that makes sense.

Im still curious about the comments that I seem to be weak-tight though. Is that just an obvservation because you dont see any check raises on the flop in this sample, or are there actually hands that you would of recommended that you would of check-raised?

Maybe it's kind of the same thing. A lot of times I noticed I might of ended up in too early of a position and hit the flop with a weak hand (no kicker), so I always tended to bet into it, rather than attempt to check raise. So you're probally right, it's all linked somehow.

As far as the stats in general though it does depend on who I play. If they seem like the passive types that will likely allow the flop to get checked thru, isnt it a mistake to try to check-raise them? They probally wont bet so I have to do it for them. (Im playing 2/4 and I see a lot of these guys)
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Old 11-24-2005, 07:49 PM
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Im still curious about the comments that I seem to be weak-tight though. Is that just an obvservation because you dont see any check raises on the flop in this sample, or are there actually hands that you would of recommended that you would of check-raised?


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It was a general observation that was highlighted by the QQ hand.
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Old 11-24-2005, 09:42 PM
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Ah. Id have to say that hand is not representative of my play in general than. It was a matter of making some poor decisions on that particular hand, it's not part of an overall strategy where I would do something similar in that situation everytime.

I would honestly usually cap it PF with QQ, but probally just wasnt thinking on this one hand, and the same with calling it down to the end. I admit it looks pretty awful though so I would probally run the same assumption. (but if you erase that one hand and you look at the rest of the sample Im not sure if "weak-tight" comes to mind, maybe we should have a poll. :-) )

This was kind of what I meant by being beyond posting those "how do I play this hands?". I know Im going to make bad decisions here and there, it's when I make them and think they were the right ones that there is a problem. If I had tended to call down a lot of hands in general (which is what I thought was "weak") my aggression rate would of been much lower.

Thanks for the help, I think Ive already picked up lots of good ideas that should improve my game.
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