Stop n Go with KK

bardolph · #1 07-10-2005, 04:33 PM

No read on BB. Is my Stop and Go action justified?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 7 folds, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Deamon2 · #2 07-10-2005, 04:37 PM

umm... that's not a stop and go

a stop and go is where you lead, your opponent raises, you call and then lead the next card.

it looks like this

Flop: T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
hero bets, villain raises, hero calls
Turn T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero bets, villain...

cap the flop and go from there. You're probably still ahead here, and if you aren't, your opponent should let you know on the turn.

McGahee · #3 07-10-2005, 04:44 PM

That's not a stop & go, but I like the flop action. You're raising a non J/A turn right?
I guess you can flip a coin on the river since he has either AA or QQ.

bardolph · #4 07-10-2005, 04:54 PM

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That's not a stop & go, but I like the flop action. You're raising a non J/A turn right?
I guess you can flip a coin on the river since he has either AA or QQ.

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Well the flop raise cowed me into passivity. I thought I was up against 2 pair or a set. I only woke up because of the river check.

I think I played this pretty weak. I should have capped the turn.

flo · #5 07-10-2005, 04:57 PM

Cap the flop. Raise the turn, call a reraise. That's what i'd do.

Deamon2 · #6 07-10-2005, 05:02 PM

I think raising the turn if your opponent leads is spewing. If he fires again, I would call down. He could be getting risky with QQ or AJ, but there is still a fair chance we're beat. If he checks to us on the turn, bet it.

McGahee · #7 07-10-2005, 05:04 PM

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That's not a stop & go, but I like the flop action. You're raising a non J/A turn right?
I guess you can flip a coin on the river since he has either AA or QQ.

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Well the flop raise cowed me into passivity. I thought I was up against 2 pair or a set. I only woke up because of the river check.

I think I played this pretty weak. I should have capped the turn.

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Well ok -yeah - that's pretty weak. 3-bet PF w/ J8? He doesn't have 2-pair. I'd put him on AJ after the flop action.
I'd raise the flop as you did, call a 3-bet and pop any non-A/J turn since:
A) I also raise flops & call 3-bets when I'm on a draw.
B) Lots of people like to 3-bet the cheap street to "find out where they're at" and you give them a rude awakening when you nail their ass on 4th street.

There's nothing wrong with capping the flop though - you're ahead more often than not.
He had QQ?

McGahee · #8 07-10-2005, 05:07 PM

Given the turn card and flop action, I'm definitely not raising after he 3-bet the flop. I might even check if checked to.

bardolph · #9 07-10-2005, 05:34 PM

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Well ok -yeah - that's pretty weak. 3-bet PF w/ J8? He doesn't have 2-pair. I'd put him on AJ after the flop action.
I'd raise the flop as you did, call a 3-bet and pop any non-A/J turn since:
A) I also raise flops & call 3-bets when I'm on a draw.
B) Lots of people like to 3-bet the cheap street to "find out where they're at" and you give them a rude awakening when you nail their ass on 4th street.

There's nothing wrong with capping the flop though - you're ahead more often than not.
He had QQ?

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TT

TomBrooks · #10 07-10-2005, 06:13 PM

I like it