TT first hand PUSH !

tjh · #1 12-12-2005, 01:46 AM

I am about three seats off of the button, middle late position.

Two players limp.

I look down and see 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Thinking I will give the "double up early or bust out with little time invested" strategy a try, I push.

One fold and then one player calls with 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

My tens hold up and I double up.

Just some supporting evidence for the play. I felt like tens were a decent hand to try this. Not so good that I can play them with confidence on your avarage board but not so bad that a player sensing donkness might call with a worse pair.

#2 12-12-2005, 01:54 AM

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Just some supporting evidence for the play.

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This doesnt work in poker, terrible push.

splashpot · #3 12-12-2005, 01:57 AM

This is terrible. 90% of the time you'll pick up the 25 chip blinds. 9% of the time you'll get called by a hand better than yours. And 1% of the time you'll find an idiot like you did.

tjh · #4 12-12-2005, 02:07 AM

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This is terrible. 90% of the time you'll pick up the 25 chip blinds. 9% of the time you'll get called by a hand better than yours. And 1% of the time you'll find an idiot like you did.

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And your point is ??
I either bust out and start a new tourney and have a second chance to get a decent return on my money as I have almost no time invested. Or I double up and have twice the chance of winning this one. So therefore even a slight chance that they call with worse hands makes this a positive EV move.

The first couple hands are a special opportunity. Lots of maniac moves before the feeling that "time is invested and we should play seriously" mood sets in.

I think we should consider the first few hands an opportunity for some special strategy. By hand #5 unless I am seeing lots of madness I would NEVER try this. Hand #1 is different.

Take a look at your hand histories.. the first orbit is idiot land.

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bigt439 · #5 12-12-2005, 02:09 AM

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Take a look at your hand histories.. the first orbit is idiot land.

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You're proving this point way better than any other one.

aLOWdAkING · #6 12-12-2005, 02:12 AM

I haven't played the $5+1s for a long time, but that is probably the only level where it will work at.

gildwulf · #7 12-12-2005, 02:14 AM

Results-based thinking on one sample + pushing TT at lvl 1--> failure

tjh · #8 12-12-2005, 02:19 AM

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This is terrible. 90% of the time you'll pick up the 25 chip blinds. 9% of the time you'll get called by a hand better than yours. And 1% of the time you'll find an idiot like you did.

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Well the standard pair of ten plays is not going to net you much return either. 3/4 of the time a JQK or ACE flops. 1/8 of the time you get your set. Not an easy hand to play.

I believe the times I get called by AK-AT and the times I get called by pocket pairs smaller than mine makes this a positive play. Not to mention the short time invested so I can fire up another SNG.

Yes the PUSH looks idiotic, and that is what encourages the call.

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gildwulf · #9 12-12-2005, 02:21 AM

Just because it is easier to play a hand by pushing all-in pre-flop does not mean it is the best way.

splashpot · #10 12-12-2005, 02:27 AM

Let me ask you this. Are you posting this hand here so you can get advice? Or are you just posting it so you can prove how wrong everyone is when they tell you how bad it is?