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Old 12-18-2005, 12:43 PM
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Like getting a blow job for instance?

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Old 12-18-2005, 01:10 PM
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"You can't quote the constitution about the president's not taking care to see laws are observed without specifying what laws you think were broken. So what laws were?"

The 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). FISA requires the approval of a special court before conversations can be intercepted and recorded. The court may authorize warrants to obtain "foreign intelligence" information if the target is linked to "international terrorism." The law says the government must show probabe cause to believe the targeted person is involved in a terrorist group.

One possible explanation for why the president did not seek a warrant from the special court is that the president's lawyers believed he had the power, regardless of the law. Another might be that the administration might have thought it did not have enough evidence to obtain a warrant. Kenneth C. Bass III, an expert on FISA, speculated yesterday that authorities might have seized, say, a computer or a phone that was used by an Al Qaeda operative. "The scuttlebutt is they were then using all the links or phone numbers they found, "Bass said. "It certainly sounds reasonable to say, 'We are targeting people with links to Al Qaeda,' but it may be just a list of phone numbers. That probably wouldn't satisfy the FISA court."
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Old 12-18-2005, 01:52 PM
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As to the electronic sulvellience -- the wiretaps -- at issue in Bin Laden, the Court held that the exception to the warant requirement DID NOT APPLY.

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Aren't you like a lawyer? If so, shouldn't you be better at reading cases? Some of the electronic surveillance was not covered because it wasn't authorized by the AG. But the surveillance that took place after the date of the AG's authorization was allowed in under the exception. Read pp.10-11 again: "[O]n April 4, 1997... the Attorney General gave her express authorization for the foreign intelligence collection techniques (including the post-April 4, 1997 electronic surveillance and the August 21, 1997 physical search) that were employed.... For these searches then, the exception to the warrant requirement for foreign intelligence surveillance is applicable and the government was not required to secure a warrant."
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Old 12-18-2005, 08:53 PM
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The issue is the abuse of power. Just because one party has a majority they can start up impeachment proceedings just because they don't like the guy.
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Old 12-18-2005, 10:25 PM
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it'll NEVER happen - not in a thousand years....

UNLESS the House/Senate get taken over by Democrats in 2006 - but as long as Republicans are there, they won't crucify their president. -

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If enough of the electorate wanted an impeachment it would happen regardless of the congressional makeup.


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Old 12-18-2005, 10:40 PM
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....if you don't consider a [censored] to be sex, well hell, you might as well kill he guy.

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Clinton got disbarred and paid a half million dollar fine. Thats gotta be the most expensive blow job in history or he did something more than just have oral sex.

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Old 12-18-2005, 11:24 PM
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If enough of the electorate wanted an impeachment it would happen regardless of the congressional makeup.


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The electorate is a group of sheeple who are constantly inundated with propaganda.

People dont realize how big of a deal this is. Unless CNN, MSNBC, fox news, local papers etc say its important, people wont think it is.

People thought nat holloway was important even though there were much more important things to care about.
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Old 12-19-2005, 01:20 AM
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So, what you're saying is the electorate was demanding that Clinton be impeached for getting a knobjob?
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Old 12-19-2005, 01:26 AM
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So, what you're saying is the electorate was demanding that Clinton be impeached for getting a knobjob?

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Thats what the electorate thought, and that is one reason why he did not get convicted.

However any reasonably intelligent person who followed the story knows he didn't get impeached, disbarred, or fined for getting a knobjob.

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Old 12-19-2005, 01:30 AM
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So, what you're saying is the electorate was demanding that Clinton be impeached for getting a knobjob?

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Thats what the electorate thought, and that is one reason why he did not get convicted.

However any reasonably intelligent person who followed the story knows he didn't get impeached, disbarred, or fined for getting a knobjob.

Stu

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Right, he got impeached because he didn't think that a knobjob counted as sex.
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