QQ during an all-in fest

[LaggyLou]

I was at a bit of a loss here:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed)

<font color="#C00000">SB (t485)</font>
Hero (t575)
UTG (t1325)
UTG+1 (t565)
MP1 (t2320)
<font color="#C00000">MP2 (t420)</font>
<font color="#C00000">CO (t435)</font>
Button (t1875)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, <font color="blue">MP1 raises to t100, MP2 goes all-in (420), CO goes all-in (435),</font> Button folds,<font color="blue"> SB goes all-in (485)</font>, Hero......?

[sofere]

My mouse would move to the fold button so fast it would start to smoke.

Can I guess? 88 vs AK vs AA

[Beavis68]

I would push, they probably against two Ax hands and a middle pair.

[MisterJed]

Fold...there's too good of a chance that at least one of them has you beat. Even if you're not beat preflop, you're probably going to lose the hand most of the time. There are better spots to get your chips in on.

[Voltron87]

tough call but probably fold.

[adanthar]

Kinda buyin dependent but anywhere above $5, it's a fold.

[Irieguy]

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Kinda buyin dependent but anywhere above $5, it's a fold.

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If an alternative would apply only to the play-money tables and the $5's... is it really buyin dependant?

Irieguy

[willperkins]

IMHO I push. My reasoning is as follows:

1. There is t1515 in the pot and three people already pot committed. If you call, it is t435 to you, which is about 3.5 to one odds. Thats pretty good odds. The problem is that since you only have t575, you are forced to push with one person still to act behind you. Since he is the big stack and is now getting about 4.4 to one odds to call, he probably is correct to do so.

Now you are in for all of your chips against 3 and probably 4 players with the 3rd best hand in poker and getting about 4.6 to one odds (if the big stack called). The odds are great if you were heads up. Unfortuately, there will probably be four others in the pot with you.

Worse case senario,even if one of them has AA, one has KK, one has JJ and the other has AK (which is highly unlikely) you are about a 5.2 to 1 dog.


2. You barely have ten times the big blind. You are only going to get so many good hands in a SNG. I say push, because of pot odds. If you lose, another SNG will start in about one minute.

[Pokerscott]

Fold

You are almost certainly beat. What do you put the SB on? They are the second caller for an all-in. No one is desperately short-stacked. For the SB to put all there chips in in that spot is beefy.

I would say most times the SB has you beat.

Also consider the tournament value after this hand is over. If you fold you are basically one of six people left. All you need is to pick your spot and double up to be smelling the money (and you have a good bit of time with the blinds at T50).

Look at it this way...

If you fold you are 6-handed with a short but manageable stack

If you play you are usually out and sometimes 6-handed with a better but not massive stack.

Seems easy to me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Pokerscott

[Runner Runner]

I agree with PokerScott. Even if QQ wins more then it's fair share here because of pot odds (which appears to be debatable since a few think you are up against AA for sure), there is too much additional value you are passing up on by not folding and staying alive while other players are eliminated. When your tournament life is at stake you cannot be over-overcalling.

That may not be a word, but you know what I mean.