When to Complete SB w/Garbage

How many limpers does it take to make completing the SB with a poor hand +EV?

I had Q2o in SB with 6 limpers. I folded (was playing a tricky hand for big pot at another table). BB completed. 7 players to the Flop.

Flop would have given me top two pair, also putting a 2-flush on board. The 2 paired on the Turn and also made a 3-flush. There was tons of action and pot ended up being ~14BBs. Of course, the probability of the hand playing out like this is minimal.

So generally speaking, what is the # of limpers that give you enough odds (pot & implied) to complete with a weak hand? What are some table considerations that would alter that #? (eg BB is super aggressive & most likely will raise PF facing limpers.)

SP

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I had Q2o in SB with 6 limpers.

Flop would have given me top two pair

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How do you get top 2-pair with Q2o?

Qx-1.5x-1.4x

hahahaha

[AlanBostick]

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I had Q2o in SB with 6 limpers.

Flop would have given me top two pair

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How do you get top 2-pair with Q2o?

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When the flop comes Q-2-A, of course! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I had Q2o in SB with 6 limpers.

Flop would have given me top two pair

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I just put that in to make sure people were paying attention, lol.

That was a typo...

SP
How do you get top 2-pair with Q2o?

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[ohnonotthat]

LOL - Yeah, top two with Q-2/off - What a kidder. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

- We all know you meant Q-2/suited. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[Al P]

UATrewqaz,

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You said something like 92o wins 5.2% of the time vs. 9 random hands, which is 19-1 against.

But if 6 people limp you are getting immediate odds of 15-1 on your 1/2 SB call.

This of course is pre-factoring in any implied odds.

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But the problem is you don't know if "this" hand is in the 5.2% so it really needs to be lowered. I.E. running 2's or running 9's or running 9/2 or you flop a 2 and a 2 or 9 would come on the turn or river to give you the winner. Those miracles all make up that 5.2% and need to be discounted.

Also the flop could come K94 and your 9's would win at showdown but with 5 people in you usually can't feel comfortable betting OOP with SPNK.

So that 5.2% is pretty "generous" and really indicates best case scenario.

[ohnonotthat]

The 5.2% win rate for 9-2/off refers to hot-cold; it's accurate only if there is no post-flop action.

It also assumes that all callers have random hands.

- I've been fortunate enough to play in games with some truly horrible/clueless players but even this bunch would refuse to play the very worst of their startin hands . . . such as, oh, 8-2/off.

[UATrewqaz]

At a table of weak players when 5+ people have limped I'll complete in the SB with any two cards.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

Depends on the blind structure. In a 2/3 blind structure it is almost never correct to fold in an unraised pot.